35 Steps

According to many spiritual teachers, all human beings are, in reality, spiritual beings on a human journey. We reincarnate as human beings in order to evolve as souls.

Our ultimate aim is to become fully conscious and capable as unique individual expressions of All That Is.

It is a long journey, but that’s okay because the soul is eternal.

Soul Evolution

The soul’s journey is really a process of evolving. This means growing in consciousness, steadily progressing through different levels or stages of consciousness.

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How do we grow in consciousness? Through taking on challenging experiences in physical form. These cause us to make important, “soul-searching” choices and call upon us to discover our inner resources.

But why in physical form? Why would a perfectly happy spiritual being decide to inhabit the physical realm with all of its limitations and difficulties?

It is precisely so that we can experience the state of what feels like total separation from others and from the rest of reality. Only by going into this physically separated human form can we know ourselves as beings in our own right, and not just as … well … undifferentiated blobs of energy. Being physical throws our experiences and choices into extremely sharp relief in a way that is not possible otherwise. This is how we learn who we are and how to become all that we are.

In other words:

Choice and the ramifications of choice provide the essential lessons of life. In a very real sense, you choose to be here in order to make choices.

Messages from Michael

The 35 Steps

We are here to know ourselves and be all we can be, step by step. And according to the teachings of the entity known as Michael, there are 35 steps to the reincarnational process. The body and personality you have now are merely the vehicles you have chosen for this latest step in your journey.

But why 35 steps?

Why not 36 steps? Or 10? Or 100?

It is simply because, according to Michael, we go through five major stages of evolution through reincarnation. And, within each stage there are seven increments or levels to be completed. (Yes, it is rather like a computer game.)

5 x 7 = 35.

35 steps

Each single step requires a whole lifetime to complete. In fact, each step usually requires more than one lifetime. Typically, the entire journey of 35 steps takes well over a hundred lifetimes.

So let’s look at the journey in more detail. We’ll start with the five major stages of soul evolution through reincarnation.

The Five Stages

The Michael teachings describe a sequence of five “cycles” or stages of soul evolution. They are named after the stages of human development:

Each of these five corresponds to a specific level of development in capability and self-awareness within the individual soul.

Each stage is also characterised by a different learning focus that is more subtle than the previous ones.

Michael Newton

Incidentally, the same pattern of soul evolution has been identified by the hypnotherapist Michael Newton (right). His groundbreaking research was published in the best-selling book Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Llewellyn, 1994).

The books by Newton and his students draw upon thousands of transcripts of people who, under hypnotic regression, have re-experienced being between lives. From the higher perspective of their soul they are able to explain what happens after death and before birth. This includes information about the levels of consciousness through which reincarnating souls evolve.

What Newton and others have discovered is that souls between lives exist in light-form, and that each soul emanates a particular colour of the spectrum which indicates its current level of consciousness.

The spectrum begins at white (all colours) but then goes through red, yellow, green, blue, to deep purple and violet. From low frequency to high frequency. The least evolved souls — the “newbies” — have a pinkish hue. The oldest souls — those nearing the end of the whole reincarnational cycle — have a blueish hue.

Although the spectrum is a continuum, Dr. Newton has found that it can be divided into five distinct stages or levels of evolvement, from Level I to Level V. These can be mapped onto the five stages given in the Michael teachings, from Infant soul to Old soul.

So, for example, souls in the middle (or third) stage of reincarnation are referred to as “Young souls” in the Michael teachings and they are at what Newton would call “Level III”. They will have a yellowish or golden hue.

(As an aside, both Newton and the Michael entity also identify higher levels of soul evolution which do not involve reincarnation.)

The stages of reincarnation (or soul age) can also be likened to the stages of metamorphosis we see in nature, such as egg, caterpillar, chrysalis, butterfly. In reincarnation, though, what changes is not the physical form but the mode of consciousness, especially the form of self-awareness and — as a result — the way of relating to others.

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Soul age and personality

Soul age will affect how a personality comes across in certain ways.

    1. Infant souls focus on immediate survival needs. They flourish in simple environments close to nature, such as remote tribes or rural, pastoral settings. In the context of modern society, however, they can come across as uncivilised simpletons or yokels, and may even be deemed to be psychopathic or have some sort of developmental disorder. Psychologically, they are naive, impulsive and “pre-conventional”, acting on impulse or habit with little or no thought for consequences. Because they lack both social understanding and self-inhibition, they are capable of committing antisocial or immoral acts without any sense of wrongdoing. As such, they do not fit well within modern society and may end up in prison or in psychiatric units. While infant souls may lack the moral principles, social graces and cultural understanding of older souls, they are in a sense completely innocent, being without pretense or agenda. [Well-known example: Fred West, serial killer]

  • Baby souls, in contrast to Infant souls, think a great deal about their actions. Their lives are about safety, security, structure and order — rigidly so. Both their beliefs and their actions are largely rule-bound, so they are often ultra-conservative, traditionalist, orthodox, upright, moralistic, religiously devout, and mindful of law and order. That said, they will occasionally give in to temptation, or temper tantrum, and break the rules themselves — but then might find themselves tortured with guilt and shame. They come across to older souls as rather “square” – conscientious, conventional, conformist. Baby soul communities tend to be highly principled and civilised (think of the Amish). They are acutely aware of the rights and wrongs of people’s actions, including their own, though they have little insight into the motives behind them. Bad behaviour is sinful, and that’s that. [Well-known example: Jimmy Swaggart]


  • Young souls tend to be extravert, outward-bound, worldly, frenetically energetic, brash, competitive, political, ambitious and individualistic. They are more ego-driven than personalities at any other soul age, keen to prove themselves in the world at large. They like to think for themselves, assert their own opinions, and follow their own agenda, with a certainty that their own way is by far the best way. They are generally attracted to some form of worldly success — fame, fortune, power, glory. In fact, they are more fearful of death than souls at other stages, and those who aren’t sure about life after death may be anxious to make a big impact on the world stage – to create some kind of symbolic immortality for themselves. Young souls are acutely aware of their own goals and intentions but do not really question them. [Well-known example: Napoléon Bonaparte.]


  • Mature souls tend to be thoughtful, reflective and sincere within themselves, and sensitive and empathetic towards others. Psychologically, their awareness is no longer egocentric (in the sense of being limited to a single perspective), but capable of accommodating multiple perspectives. In fact, the self-serving ego comes to be seen as a problem, something to be overcome — though in reality it is more a case of incorporating it into a broader level of awareness. This tension between ego and ego-transcendence, or between having both a personal agenda and a desire to be more open and authentic, makes life much more complicated — sometimes overwhelmingly so. On the one hand, mature souls reject narrow-minded values. Yet on the other hand, they can empathise with whoever holds those same values. Fixed opinions are replaced by a sense of ever-shifting perspectives — “It all depends on how you look at it”. This disappearance of solid ground kicks off a search for deeper meaning and self-understanding — whether through art, psychology, philosophy or spirituality. Politically, mature souls tend to be liberal and inclusive, and disapprove of any kind of narrow chauvinism. To younger souls, they can come across as bleeding-heart liberals. They tend to question everything, including their own motives, and are prone to do a lot of soul-searching (literally). [Well known example: Barack Obama.]


  • OId souls tend to exude some degree of depth, gravitas or wisdom that is quite unmistakable. Having moved beyond the conflicts of the mature soul, they are also lighter and have a sense of joyous freedom — the freedom to enjoy being very much in the world, but not of it. They are relatively calm, measured, untroubled and stable, unattached to social structures and cultural expectations, being sure of their own existence and inner strengths and their compassion for others. Their focus is on true self-expression and fulfillment, consciously participating in the evolution of all-that-is. As such, they tend to go their own unique way in life, letting go and letting be, in a detached way that may seem very weird and eccentric to younger souls. Late-stage old souls often focus on teaching spiritual wisdom with great compassion. [Well-known example: Osho]


Note: These descriptions emphasise the differences between stages. In reality, though, there is a gradual blend from one stage to the next. A person at the start of the Mature stage, for example, will act mostly like a Young soul but with elements of Mature soul nature beginning to emerge.

The lessons of each stage

Here are the five stages of soul evolution through human reincarnation, together with the typical learning experiences associated with each stage:

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So we begin reincarnating as Infant souls, complete novices at physical existence. At this first stage we are largely in a state of incompetence and terror, frankly. But through experiences and choices we learn and grow. We steadily progress from being Infant souls to Baby souls to Young souls to Mature souls. Finally, we enter the fifth stage as accomplished Old souls, the experts of human existence.

As infant souls we learned about choices having to do with survival, as baby souls choices having to do with moral codes and ethics, as young souls choices having to do with mastery of achievement, as mature souls choices having to do with relationships, and as old souls choices having to do with the nature of oneness with the Tao. An infant soul would therefore not understand the choices of an old soul although an older soul would likely have more understanding of the nature of younger soul choice having had them.

Michael, via Victoria Marina

To look at each stage in more detail see:

Stage 1. The Infant Soul

Stage 2. The Baby Soul

Stage 3. The Young Soul

Stage 4. The Mature Soul

Stage 5. The Old Soul

Soul levels in the human population

The six or seven billion people on the planet span the whole range of stages, but the average is said to be somewhere just past the mid-point of stage 3 (see chart below). In other words, this world is currently dominated by Young souls whose primary focus is competitive self-advancement.

The seven steps within each stage

Within each stage there are seven discrete steps to go through. In the Michael teachings, they are called “levels”, so in each stage we proceed from 1st level to 7th level. Calling these “levels” can be a bit confusing (since Newton refers to the five major stages as “levels”), so I sometimes prefer to call them “steps”.

So each stage of reincarnation has seven distinct learning steps. For example, we begin the whole journey at step 1 as Infant souls, learn that lesson, then undertake step 2 as Infant souls, and so on. On completing the 7th step of the Infant stage, we then begin the 1st step of the Baby stage.

35 steps

The early steps in any stage are about experiencing life at this new stage of evolution, learning the essential lessons through appropriate experiences.

The later steps are about expressing those lessons, demonstrating this level of consciousness in action.

For example, in the Young soul stage, the first three steps — from 1st level Young soul to 3rd level Young soul — are about discovering the meaning of free will and self-determination; the last three steps — 5th level Young soul to 7th level Young soul — are about demonstrating the meaning of free will and self-determination in action. (The middle step — 4th level Young soul — is about consolidating the lessons learned.)

The first step or level of any stage is like putting a toe in the water; the final step is like teaching others how to swim:

1st Level Initiation into the new stage. “Toe in the water.” First glimpses of the new consciousness. We come to recognise that there is a whole new way of being ahead of us, and we respond to the call, even though as yet it is beyond our comprehension.
2nd Level Building foundations. Wading in and out. Comparing and contrasting the old and new consciousness. We come to understand what is essential and different about this higher level, though it still remains ‘ahead’ of us, not quite within us.
3rd Level Rising to the challenge. Taking the plunge. We determinedly commit ourselves to actively embrace and explore the new consciousness.
4th Level Integration. Relaxing into it, “enjoying the water.” We now identify ourselves with this way of understanding self, life and others – this is our truth. We fully incorporate and consolidate the new consciousness into our own being.
5th Level Expression. Splashing about – “Look at me!” We openly share and communicate our new, true sense of self and of life’s meaning. We feel drawn to broadcast our truth, to “go public” with it.
6th Level Demonstration. Giving value and benefit to others. “Being a life guard.” Our new consciousness is put to the test. We also burn off any outstanding karma incurred in the earlier steps of this stage.
7th Level Mastery. Peak performance. We have complete understanding and control of our awareness at this level. We know exactly what we are doing. We may feel like a role model. Hmm… What’s next?

This sequence of seven steps is repeated through each stage, making 35 steps in all from the beginning of reincarnation to the end.

In case you’re wondering, I’m at the 5th level of the Mature soul stage. My current life’s lesson is about outwardly expressing my Mature soul consciousness.

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Many lives

So, we start our evolutionary journey at level 1 of stage I (as “1st Level Infant souls”) and end it at level 7 of stage 5 (as “7th Level Old souls”).

There are 35 steps in all. And each single step requires at least one lifetime to complete.

A single step can be done in one lifetime but often that’s too big a stretch, so an initial life may undertaken as a taster, followed by one or two more which really go for it.

Sometimes a life is interrupted, and the soul will just have to start over in the next life. Also, some lives are undertaken for reasons other than the specific intent to develop. For example, one lifetime might be undertaken primarily to assist another soul in their development. And some lives are taken on primarily for the death experience, for karmic reasons. These can be very short, of the order of days, weeks or months.

Taking into account all the gaps spent in the non-physical state between lives, a single step is typically accomplished in about 100-300 years of Earth time.

The whole journey of 35 steps usually takes well over 100 lifetimes. Hence, the whole journey is likely to take of the order of 7,000-8,000 years, but possibly a lot more if the population is low and opportunities to incarnate are few.

Questions and Answers

Coming back again and again sounds dreadful. Why don’t we just give up and be done with it? Can’t I just decide that this is my last time?

You cannot skip any of the steps, nor would you want to (from the soul’s perspective). You wouldn’t rent a movie but then skip to the final credits just to avoid the whole process of sitting through the movie. In fact, it’s more like a computer game. You are playing the game because you want to, and at some level you actually love it. And you know perfectly that you need to master one level before you can move on to the next level. That’s what the game is all about.

Who says?

There’s no tyrannical deity controlling the game, forcing you to keep at it, deciding who gets to “graduate” and who doesn’t. It’s just the natural dynamic of life and the evolution of consciousness. A tadpole cannot suddenly transform into a full-grown frog. A baby human cannot suddenly take on a professional career or family responsibilities. There’s a natural, inevitable sequence to go through. And we’ve all signed up for it.

But why? What’s it all about?

Well, at the level of spirit or essence, all is one, all is love, all is joy. This is all very nice, but consciousness longs to experience more and more of what there is to experience, the utter richness and fullness of life.

How does it do that?

By fragmenting into zillions of conscious entities, each of whom has its own experiences and perspective, and each of whom can make its own choices about what to experience. Any soul can choose to continue being submerged in all-that-is, albeit with little sense of self. Alternatively, any soul can choose to undergo the experience of life in a separate physical form, interacting with other souls in their own physical forms. This is the ultimate way to experience oneself as a self.

And that’s why we are here?

We have all made this choice: to use the human form as a vehicle to help us become more conscious of ourselves as the amazing beings we are. The aim is to experience every possible experience that enables us to emerge more and more consciously and fearlessly as ourselves. We begin as helpless infants for whom the experience of separate existence is quite terrifying. But we end as autonomous, self-realised beings for whom human existence is the most amazing way of being, feeling joyful and free and sharing love with the whole of life.

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583 Responses to “Reincarnation: the 35 steps of soul evolution”

  1. 1 Emerald Phoenix 30 Jun 2014 at 6:55 pm

    Hello my name is Emerald Phoenix. From childhood I knew that this was not my home. I had many challenges to overcome. Now I am 56. When asked I tell people that I am everything and I am nothing. I don’t know where this places me on the chart of spiritual evolution. Frankly it does not matter. All that I know is the connection to my higher power governs my existence. There are times when words come through me that are not of me. They are usually meant for someone else’s benefit. I rarely remember the exact words or why they were uttered. As a massage therapist and bodyworker , I feel like a vessel through which healing occurs. I don’t read books on the matter or go to seminars. Everything seems to occur on its own. From childhood, I have had what I call a counsel of Elders. I see them without my eyes. They sit in last supper fashion behind a wooden table. They are made up of Jesus, Buddah, Muhammad, etc. They have been my guides through my earthly journey. Again I have no words for what I experience. Neither do I need words. The act of speaking is often inadequate. Thank you. Emerald Phoenix

    • 2 barry 08 Jul 2014 at 12:21 pm

      And thank you, Emerald Phoenix. (As someone who’s still fixated on words, I’d say Old Priest at a guess)

    • 3 Truth 26 Jul 2014 at 9:28 am

      I resonated with your answer in that I have always felt Jesus standing next to me, almost as if when I am deciding how to react in a situation, I can feel him standing beside me telepathically going through the scenarios together but I can feel his answer as spoken words in my head ” you know what to do” and I always answer him out loud…. ”I know” and smile. It is true what you say about the words being inadequate…..I have always felt a connection to that of the Native American peoples, White Eagle I believe being one of my guides as well as Jesus……..White Eagle’s presence is always stronger when I am in Nature and I have always felt connected to the very soil itself and very rarely mention this as it is a very deep and I think old memory that I feel would not be adequately understood in it’s depth so I have kept it to myself and hence I find myself mostly on my own and not in groups and I have a deeply profound connection to whales and trees the emotion of which I can not adequately describe but the emotional love connection that stirs can move me to tears within seconds. I feel I have spent at least a lifetime with the whales and I was told once that i used to speak the language of Trees………there is SO much to discover about ourselves which in turn teaches exactly what we need to know about everything else in our Universe and beyond……..its so awesome that it makes me catch my breath sometimes!!!

      Blessings to you and may you continue your journey and discover all that you wish for in your life.

  2. 4 Nicko 11 Jul 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Interesting stories and perspectives in here.
    I’ve enjoyed reading about this, it has verified many things about life which Ive spent a lot of energy suspecting and digging at.
    Funny to say, 7 months ago, conciously I were a near militant atheist firmly believing that after one cease to live, one also cease to exist. It didn’t make sense to me, nor did I want to believe in an afterlife.. seeing all the misery, pain and suffering on this planet I would have a hard time resting in peace, ever.

    But experience changes you, and in the past 7 months I’ve had many.. in retrospect, another experience making time meaningless.. I’ve changed equally much in the past 7 months then I did in the previous 23 years of my life. Like a flood gate that was waiting to be open’d poured the river of expanded conciousness over me once the trigger mechanism were found.

    I do not know whether I’m an old, a young, mature or baby soul, I can relate aspects of my personality to all stages, but it doesn’t matter anyway. Young, old.. what matter’s is this very moment, the continous moment of our concious excistence. If I were to guess I’d say a late stage mature soul, as young, mature and old soul are those stages I can relate the most to as of this moment.. but neither give me any more joy then the other. Fact is, I’d be sad if this were among my last lives on earth.
    Like school, it’s dreadful while going through it.. but as your last year of school is coming to an end and you realize it’s time to say goodbye, it’s with sorrow. Like saying goodbye to a home you’ve grown up in. Saying goodbye to something that occupied so much of your energy over an endless amount of moments.
    This planet truely is an amazing teacher to those of us who recognise ourselves as her students.

    I’ve yet to fully connect with the world tho.. I was trying to find out whether or not a brew such as ayahuasca would be good or bad thing for me while spending many many months making the decission whether to go for it or not.. lately I’ve started realizing that there is no good or bad.. whether it turns out ‘bad’ for me, ultimately it would be a good learning experience for me. Although I must admit, a relatively sized part of me is still hoping for that it will be a ‘good’ thing :)

    I dunno about having to go through all stages as we incarnate into new bodies tho.. maybe it depends on the body as much as the soul but I’ve been acting a mature soul most of my life.. I can vividly recall moments when I’ve been as young as 5 years old asking the same kind of questions I’m asking myself today. Often I would feel like a grandpa around other children, or classmates as I grew older. I understood why they were doing good and bad things to eachother, and I would try not to interfer either way because intuitively I knew they were both equally good of an experience, ultimately it wouldn’t matter if I interfered.. I felt my job was to be on the sideline of the game of childhood, spectate it, study it closer from the distance.. and support the players that would approach me.

    I can hardly say that I got it right in this life tho, despite my deeper personality, I were to scared to show it to the public, still am to some degree, although I feel the mask is coming off little by little as I embrace spirituality more.. It’s an interesting experience indeed.. but as recognize the indications.. I could believe that I were approaching an older soul stage.. Boy how I would miss being young if this happens to be true.. I miss my childhood years of summer holidays going swimming with friends, having a waterfight and so on.. I miss being able to enjoy it as much as I did back then.. this is how I feel about the soul stages aswell..

    I suppose it doesn’t matter either way .. like I wrote earlier, the only thing that truely matters is the continous moment of our existence.
    Love your hardships cause they tell you how much you should value your good times, love your good times while they last before you must yet again attempt to climb another hill in your life :) Most empowering feeling in the world is to have gone through hell and find yourself asking for seconds. Much love <3

    • 5 Ken Kaplan 20 Aug 2014 at 3:37 pm

      Definitely mature or older. Too much wisdom, experience, perspective. The Soul’s needs often seem at odds with that of the personality incarnation. The Soul will decide on its needed moves.

  3. 6 Donald Vilified Sneed 25 Jul 2014 at 8:23 am

    I’m completely intrigued by how at the 6th level we begin to burn off karma insued at the earlier stages. Is this a conscious effort or a bonus we insue? Through my travels I’ve found that burning has a reaction which insues more karma. So are we less sensitive to the new karma or purposely less aware? I guess my point being at this stage are we pro or digressing? I took your statement to be a positive affirmation about the progression up the stages. To have a spot or timeline to tally up karmas workings seems wonderful, yet I find it to be missleading. An to be frank confusing and distracting. We cannot burn off karma we can apologize and forgive. As everyone should know insues more…Karma burns off, rather, out. We have no place or way to control how when or where this happens. So to categorize in level 6 gave me a false sense of elation that now has me raising an eyebrow to you sir. Why was karma even mentioned what was/ is Micheals premise here/ there?

    • 7 barry 08 Aug 2014 at 6:17 am

      Not really sure what you’re trying to say here Donald. Why shouldn’t karma be mentioned in the context of a long-running discussion about reincarnation?

      The Michael teachings are very explicit about karma. It’s like a “ribbon” that keeps a pair of souls tied together in a state of imbalance until the karma between them is resolved. Karma between souls is caused when, while they are both incarnate, one person chooses to deny the freedom of choice of the other in some way. (It can only happen on the physical plane.)

      Typical examples are murder (I decide when you die), rape (I’m forcing you to experience something you would never choose), deliberate neglect (I’ll teach my screaming baby a lesson by not feeding it for a week), imprisonment (I lock you up against your will), and what is charmingly referred to as mind-fuck (I tell you something totally untrue but once you believe you will have no choice but to do as I say.”

      In addition to these ‘freedom-crushing’ karmic acts, there are also Philanthropic Karmic acts, where one person decides to improve another person’s freedom of choice, with no expectation of a reward.

      Generally, we create ‘bad’ karmas with our fellow souls during the early stages of reincarnation. So infant, baby and young souls are where the real action is, in terms of bad karma. Mature souls fear to create karma at all, though in the early level of the cycle they could still do so. The karmas incurred by Mature souls tend to be non-violent and are more directed at the self (Self-Karmas) as opposed to “proper” karma with another soul. An example of a self-karma would be, say, addiction to alcohol – the same life problem is repeated in one life after another until the soul finally finds its own way out out. Old souls are more likely to develop Philanthropic Karma.

      Within each cycle, eg the Young soul cycle, karma is usually incurred early on (levels 1-3) while the soul is still clumsily trying to get to grips with its new level of awareness. By mid-cycle (level 4) the soul has pretty much grasped it, and late-cycle (5-7) is more about putting this new awareness to good use. Level 6 is spefically to do with harmonising self with others, and part of this is focusing on the burning of karmic ribbons. That way, one is karmically free and well balanced to enjoy the grand heights of level 7.

      Hope that makes sense


  4. 8 Truth 26 Jul 2014 at 8:29 am

    Is it possible to make contact with Crappy situation please as I resonated with her very much and would love to correspond with her

    As I am reading the replies…….I am feeling that this site is truly helpful in a much needed topic and the understanding and expansion it brings is tremendous and I can feel it is helping the overall ascension process of this entire planet………through each of us that is finding another piece of the jigsaw puzzle as we read!

    One of the hardest things to bear in this human life, I personally feel, is the feeling of not belonging……….and not finding anyone to help you understand why……….one of your replies stated that sharing what you have learned will help you and I totally agree………and that is why I have and will only ever help someone with something that I have experienced myself in the flesh so to speak……….theories are still theories unless experienced (but discussion of theories especially spiritual has always attracted me like a magnet!).

    My own personal eureka moment was to realize (remember)……….effectively………that we are SIMPLY IN A PROCESS OF REMEMBERING WHO WE ALREADY ARE, but our Higher Soul has chosen this particular aspect of itself(you/I) to do this on this beautiful physical planet earth, within this physical form/body/vehicle…….which I believe can be one of the most uniquely blissful experiences you can have……..to remember all that you truly are and your absolute connection to Source within the energy of love…….and then if you manage…..even for a short time, even for fleeting moments which can also happen (but can still be as powerful)……..to integrate this remembrance within your physical human being self………….for me it was transcendent and very empowering ……..but getting your memory back,can and most probably, will require a very profound, dark period, (but if you ask for guidance /help from above)……..you eventually emerge from this dark episode stronger and more importantly, one step or maybe two, higher than where you were. The “feeling” of liberation and actual liberation of this (which may not be immediate and still may need a lot of ongoing work to integrate into your psyche)… can be profound………Stick with it and always always, try to stay true to what you feel in your heart and your inner feelings as they are the truth….. your truth. You simply CANNOT go wrong if you honor truth.

    This site feels, to me, like it has amazing truth and wisdom behind it and I commend and thank the author for sharing and helping us……..and this is EXACTLY what we are here, at this time in our human evolution, to try and achieve………..UNITY! Simply put…….. we are ACTUAL…facets/aspects of our CREATOR…….. the energy of which is a perfect and complimentary balance of MALE and FEMALE energy. THAT is who, in fact, WE ARE!!! WE ARE AWESOME……please remind yourselves every day if possible……!

    Thank you!

  5. 9 Mary Shaw 13 Aug 2014 at 11:41 pm

    How exactly do I figure out which level soul I am? Just from reading the descriptions and guessing, I think I’m a level 1 young soul, but obviously I don’t know for sure. Is there anyway that I can find out for sure?

    • 10 barry 18 Aug 2014 at 10:11 am

      Hi there

      This is a common question.

      Option 1 is to get a reading from a reliable Michael channel. If you look at the bottom of my page on the Michael teachings I’ve listed a few who I’ve had good readings from, or who seem to be generally reliable. (Channelling is never 100% accurate – even with what is clearly a good reading, still bear in mind that one or two elements of it could be “off”.)

      Option 2 is to know yourself so well that it becomes clear to you. But here I should point out once more that this isn’t so easy if you’re still in your youth or early adulthood (before approx 35).

      Why? Because while our soul may be at 1st level Young or 7th level Old or whatever, in each lifetime it takes 3 or 4 decades for our new human self or personality to “catch up” with our true soul age. The moment we incarnate into a new body, our self-awareness within that body is back at square 1, equivalent to an Infant soul. But over the years, we gradually climb our way up the spiral ladder of awareness until, around 35-40, we find our natural level – in other words, we manifest our full soul age.

      I’m a 5th-level Mature soul, but at the age of 20 I would have assumed that I was a Young soul based on my ego and ambition. That was as far as I’d got to know myself by that age based on observing myself in action (I had overlooked the more subtle signs of my inner maturity, such as a high degree of empathy).

      I suspect that an Old soul around the age of 20 will be acting pretty much like a typical Mature soul. On the other hand, a Young soul by the age of 20 will still be acting more like a Baby soul. (One day soon I’m going to do an illustrated article to explain all this!)

      So the fact that at 17 you perceive yourself as 1st level Young, I would take that as a clue that you are probably a Mature soul. But don’t take my word for it. Just keep observing yourself and in particular see if you can get a sense of the inner depths of your true self.

      … Or do it the easy way and get a channelled reading!

      Hope that helps,


    • 11 Ken Kaplan 18 Aug 2014 at 11:05 am

      Mary, I would recommend reading “Ask and It is Given” by Abraham-Hicks (*Esther Hicks). It explains the Law of Attraction which is a governing principle of this Universe.

      From my understanding, according to this principle, you can’t be a level I Young Soul. You would never get within a galaxy of this type of learning. “Viibrationally”, a level one Young Soul would have no interest whatsoever in these ideas and would never “gravitate” to them.

      You are most likely a mature Soul, most likely mid range or higher. If you are 17, you could be above Barry and I.

  6. 12 Sunaina 20 Aug 2014 at 11:22 am


    How do Spirits see people on earth? Is it light(energy) or vibrations?

    Thank you.

    • 13 Ken Kaplan 20 Aug 2014 at 12:16 pm

      This is hard to answer. Perhaps other intuitives know more. If you watch a show like “Long Island Medium”, they appear to see, sense, and know. Beyond the human form, capabilities may be much greater. You might read the opening chapters of “Destiny of Souls” by Michael Newton who describes how Souls sense and communicate soon after departure.

      Perhaps a more important question is not how they see or sense, but how do you or are you seeing, sensing or communicating with them?

      • 14 barry 20 Aug 2014 at 12:30 pm

        Yep, my impression is that to see a physical object you first need physical eyes, so non-physical beings probably don’t see us as solid bodies the way we do. They see us on our soul level, just as they see themselves, as blobs of bright, multicoloured light.

        Our perception is pretty limited, e.g. we can only see the visible light spectrum (tautology, I know). Perhaps they “see” a whole different energy spectrum.

        I believe, though, that they can also tune in to our subjective experiences and so see what we see, etc. By getting inside us, as it were, they can even watch TV! I recall Esther Hicks, one fine day, wondering why she was enjoying the sights and smells of being outdoors so much, in a way that was so ecstatic it didn’t feel like she was herself — then she realised that it was Abraham who was enjoying “themselves”, smelling the fresh air etc, through her senses.


  7. 15 Shannon 21 Aug 2014 at 3:07 am

    I have been struggling with my belief in God, reincarnation, and all things spiritual. It seems that you and the people on this site have much spiritual knowledge that I don’t have. I just have a few questions to ask;

    1. How do I know that God and reincarnation is real? Is there any indisputable reasons for me to believe? Its pretty hard with atheists loud and rampant in everyday life.

    2. How do you know that the Michael teachings are legitimate? What makes these teachings special so that I should believe them?

    3. After being depressed for a while and hating my life I decided to write out my ideal life. It has a lot of details in it and specific events that I want to happen in my life. Would it be possible that I could live that life?
    I desperately want to undoubtedly believe in this but with so many people saying “That’s mumbo jumbo because [insert reason here].”

    Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate it.

    • 16 Ken Kaplan 21 Aug 2014 at 12:26 pm


      There is no indisputable proof of God through the intellect. The reason is God is a frequency of higher order consciousness within you. “God” is a word. Words are *symbols*. They stand for or point toward something but are not the thing itself. the number 2 is not two itself. It represents something in the world, two concrete objects.

      The great divide between religion and spirituality is that religion relies on *belief*, and that belief is in the authority outside of oneself. (Pope, Bible, teachings, tradition Holy Scripture, etc) Spirituality relies on one’s *experience* and authority comes from one’s own self, not an outside source. One verifies truth through experience, connection, with it.

      Atheism primarily is all about the material intellect. There is no scientific ” proof” of God. It can’t be found in the laboratory. That is because the frequency or vibration of the “God” energy is beyond the capacity of their instruments to measure it. There are many analogies but the easiest is that one group of people have an AM radio. This site and the world it represents is on FM. You try and tell someone who only has AM about FM and they loudly proclaim FM doesn’t exist. But you say “I hear it all the time and it is clearer, more expansive and greater than AM.” But because they can’t “tune in”, because they are using a limited intellect, they proclaim there is no FM. Meanwhile you hear it all the time when you turn your FM radio on.

      So most of us here who teach this stuff or explain it answer two of your questions. One, we have had years of contact, connection, communion with what one would call “God” in diverse and plentiful ways. So the idea that God is not real is absurd. This communion is self validating trough extensive experience. One builds up a powerful cross intersecting understanding in the same way a house gets built. It is not dependent upon or even related to the belief systems of others.

      What I find interesting is most of my “new age: friends” have all arrived at their path through unique, individual sets of experience, yet the common understanding of the landscape is the same. There is no Pope or Priest or scripture to tell them “what’s what” but there is an agreement as to how things work.

      The experience of God and the validity of the Michael teachings are scientific in that they are open to observation and internal validation. These take time to build one’s own inner sense of “reality”, although one powerful mystical experience can change your life. The primary tool for this is the INTUITION, which material science does not understand.

      Don’t you find it interesting that there are thousands of recorded mystical experiences, Near Death Experiences, hynotherapeautic experiences, incredibly accurate psychic medium experiences but because they can’t be subjected to a ‘scientific test”. but are anecdotal, science shuts the door and says ‘don’t look there”. It doesn’t fit our conception of things and we can’t measure it. Therefore its not real.

      In the end you must find “God” for yourself. I usually suggest the simplest way is to begin asking “God” (aka your higher self and your guides) to begin to show you the reality of this frequency. If intent is authentic, it will open a door where you give “God” (guides, higher self) room to move. There is no “God” out there. Its a universal energy and consciousness of self and YOU have the power to connect to it. This is one of the great secrets of human life.

      As to questions 2 and three, I have been involved with channeling for over 20 years. Just as if I was married to someone and got to know them intimately, the “God” energy I find expressed in the process (over and over and over) becomes extremely validating. There are frequencies and harmonics of peace, love, wisdom, and more that not only are apparent but at times are *enveloping*. One knows when something is “real” and not just imagination. Grace becomes self evident.

      I have been studying with and living this stuff for over 45 years. At this point its like my breath. This site is valuable to me because its another room in a very large house. It builds upon through its wisdom and harmonic, which I can feel, other things I have read about AND experienced personally. You might search through the archives of my posts where I have listed many of these.

      Years ago if you told people they were surrounded by these things called “radio and TV waves”, that they were everywhere, they would have killed you,. Now we have developed instruments that can use them. The atheists don’t understand that there are no instruments from their realm to measure what they claim does not exist. Furthermore they expect “God: to fit their conceptions of how things should be. The Cosmos does not conform to the limited demands of the human intellect.

      I suggest reading “Journey of Souls” by Michael Newton. It is a classic, very inexpensive on Amazon ( might be in your library) and will open your eyes. It dovetails with these teachings perfectly. Newton never heard of the Michael teachings. It sheds great light on reincarnation through a great deal of experiences of his subjects.

      As to number 3, yes.
      Take care.

      • 17 Ken Kaplan 21 Aug 2014 at 8:01 pm

        A few more points. I have been involved with an atheist online magazine (also political) and I find the discourse from Atheists rather primitive and irrational. The main object is to disparage the “God in the Sky’. This is to take the most base expression of “God” and the nature of reality and make it as if everyone thinks this way. In debate this is called a “straw man” argument. You project someone you disagree with having a position that is not theirs, then you argue against it.

        What they don’t realize is by arguing from the most primitive spiritual premise, they are by default accepting it as a credible basis for discussion. This is ridiculous.

        Second, although they talk about science a lot, they don’t understand it. Quantum Mechanics tells us this Universe is an illusion. There is no “there” there. Einstein discovered energy and matter were the same (E=MC squared). Thus the entire physical Universe is really a vast energy field composed to appear as if it were solid. Or as the great comedian Bill Hicks said

        “Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration—that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we’re the imagination of ourselves. Here’s Tom with the weather.”

        The amount of “solid matter” in this place is infinitesimal compared to the whole. There really are no “bodies”, “buildings”, “rivers”, mountains, etc, etc. as we perceive them. The ancients understood this (which atheists never address) and called this “Maya”, the one indivisible self cloaking itself as many.

        Furthermore, atheists don’t follow science because they do something no scientist would ever do. They use a sample size of one. The scientific method would never allow this. There a trillion times a trillion planets in this Universe. Ya think we might have a greater sample size of life and other civilizations before expounding on God and its nature? Do you think the infinite intelligence which created all this is meant to follow human linear thinking?

        The value of the Michael teachings is it allows us to see the back story of what’s happening in a very precise way/. Its credibility lies in the observable truth of its teachings. Fundamentalists fit “baby souls” to a “T”

        I find from a soul point three reasons why souls are atheists. (could be more) “Baby Soul” atheists have had real bad experiences with religion and are reacting. But they are just as zealous and dogmatic and “black and white” as their Evangelical brethren. “Young Soul” atheists, as written on this site, want freedom and desire to get away from the rigid structure of “baby souldom”. Mature atheists (Carl Sagan) need room to explore without a religious overlay. Julia Sweeney (“Pat” on SNL) did a one woman show, “Letting Go of God” in which she gradually embraced atheism. It was clear to me that her life contract was to rid herself of religious overlays from past lives so she could arrive at an unfettered existential ability to be present with life that she had not achieved before. This she did and it is how the Soul balances things out. In another life she will return to a more mature understanding of “God”. She is a mature soul.

        I have no issue with someone wanting to be an atheist. It is a Soul path. It has usefulness. Many aren’t ready and if you haven’t “experienced”, then “God” can’t be real for you.

        Hope this helps.

        • 18 Ken Kaplan 21 Aug 2014 at 8:06 pm

          Kabir was one of the highest guys to ever walk the planet. Nothing to do with a “Man in the Sky”.

          I. 85. Sadho, Brahm alakh lakhaya

          “When He Himself reveals Himself, Brahma brings into manifestation
          That which can never be seen.

          As the seed is in the plant, as the shade is in the tree, as the void is in the sky, as infinite forms are in the void–

          So from beyond the Infinite, the Infinite comes; and from the Infinite the finite extends.

          The creature is in Brahma, and Brahma is in the creature: they are ever distinct, yet ever united.

          He Himself is the tree, the seed, and the germ.

          He Himself is the flower, the fruit, and the shade.

          He Himself is the sun, the light, and the lighted.

          He Himself is Brahma, creature, and Maya.

          He Himself is the manifold form, the infinite space;

          He is the breath, the word, and the meaning.

          He Himself is the limit and the limitless: and beyond both the limited and the limitless is He, the Pure Being.

          He is the Immanent Mind in Brahma and in the creature.

          The Supreme Soul is seen within the soul,

          The Point is seen within the Supreme Soul,

          And within the Point, the reflection is seen again.

          Kabir is blest because he has this supreme vision!”

          P.s. Read also “Your Soul’s Plan” by Robert Schwartz. It fits with this site beautifully and Journey of Souls. You now have 3-6 months of homework to answer your questions.

        • 19 Joe 22 Aug 2014 at 2:20 am

          Hello Ken,

          You reply is quite simple and excellent. I also used to think on the same lines about Atheism. But thinking deep, I came to an understanding that all happens on a meticulously planned and executed framework. So nothing can be said to be off the plan. There are souls incarnated of different maturity levels who are born into diverse set of experiences. So all these are varied experiences.

          Its just like a high-schooler may feel, the curriculum followed in grade two as stupid, funny and lacking solid theoretical foundation. But that curriculum is devised for the second grade based on the recipient’s intellectual and mental maturity. Its improper to be labelled as stupid by a highly evolved person.
          This universe is complete. everything is contained within. We can get data on any mundane belief. If one believe that sept 11 was executed by US govt, he can find many conspiracy theories. So mind decided what one should look for and believe.

          Here comes the holographic universe principle. The picture shown in a hologram is based on the frequency with which its is seen. So one’s basic vibrational frequency state decides the time and space he” believe” to occupy among with his mental faculty. So nothing is bad even death. All is well.


  8. 20 daysapastandahead 31 Aug 2014 at 9:41 am

    I feel like I jumped ahead 7 steps in this life.
    What about our soul families? Will I have to reincarnate because someone in my soul family is an infant soul? I truly feel I don’t want to come back to this world, and I heard there will be a new earth in the next lifetime for those enlightened. This info came from other’s who channel as well.

    • 21 barry 31 Aug 2014 at 10:57 am

      Hi there,

      I doubt very much that someone in your soul family is an Infant soul. Whatever stage you are at, your entire soul family will be in pretty much the same level, give or take.

      Coming back to Earth — Your present personality/ego may not like the idea, but your soul — the greater part of you that is eternal — will reincarnate. Not because anyone is forcing you to but because every evolving soul actually wants to.

      If you don’t like this world, why not? It is part of the perfection of all that is, just cunningly designed to appear imperfect – to present as much darkness as there is light – thereby serving as an arena for us to explore who we are through the choices we make. Examining and exploring your relationship to this world is something you could work on in this life, if you like.

      Enlightenment — If you mean the state of consciousness that is so aware of and in command of how it creates Reality that it no longer requires the constraints of physical embodiment in order to explore and experience this, then it comes to all of us naturally when we complete our sequence of lessons at the end of the Old soul cycle of development. After that, one is simply on a new cycle of development in the nonphysical realms.

      Speaking of which, there is a whole nonphysical realm of perfect love and joy awaiting us after every single lifetime on Earth. Our task isn’t to escape from Earth to some nicer planet, but to make our existence on this Earth become more like the perfection we know between lives.

      I hope that clarifies things!



      • 22 Joe 03 Sep 2014 at 2:02 pm

        Thanks Barry for the excellent and precise reply. For more info, I would urge readers to try reading a book named, “I am That’ by Nisargadatta Maharaj. Its in a Q & A format and its very enlightening. Its not recommended for those who are new arrivals into the field of spirituality. You can read its reviews on amazon. It can be freely downloaded too, from the web. Thanks.

        • 23 Ken Kaplan 03 Sep 2014 at 6:06 pm

          Nisargadatta is awesome. Teachers like him work at a level usually beyond what we do here. This site is dedicated (imo) to the subtle realm (Soul) where individuation matters. He is dealing with the end game, who are we beyond all personal. identification. “Thou Art That” is the realization that beyond all form, everything is God and that is our true identity. Wave realizes it is ocean, but it was ALWAYS ocean, never distinct in reality, only in illusion.

    • 24 Ken Kaplan 31 Aug 2014 at 12:59 pm

      I think Barry gave a very good answer. just to add, I would be careful of predictions or prophesies that take us out of the here and now. We are here for reasons as Barry indicated and this idea of a “New Earth” feels a lot like the rapture reconfigured.

      Whatever channels say, almost all spirituality focuses on this life and what we came here to get out of it and what we do with it. It may feel unpleasant, but perhaps that is one of the main things you came to deal with, to learn to grow and accept it and yourself while here, not to flee from it. I’m dealing with this rather intensely right now. This understanding helps greatly.

      No one has to assume karma of others, btw.

  9. 25 krishna 03 Sep 2014 at 2:09 am

    Can a soul memory stuck to mother’s womb and still believing that the soul still there while the person is a grown up now? What happen to his memories of before life?

    • 26 barry 03 Sep 2014 at 7:36 am


      Just to check what you mean – Are you describing a woman who believes that a baby’s soul (or something) is still in her womb, even though it is long after the baby has been born and grown up?

      • 27 Krishna 03 Sep 2014 at 7:49 am

        Nope the other way around!
        What if the soul thinks that it has not left the mother’s womb yet?

        What will happen to such souls?

        • 28 Ken Kaplan 03 Sep 2014 at 10:29 am

          I have never heard of such a phenomena. Can you give an example?

        • 29 barry 03 Sep 2014 at 11:35 am

          Krishna – Is this purely hypothetical or something you have experience of?

  10. 30 Ken Kaplan 03 Sep 2014 at 10:32 am

    Why can’t I find your post to Chaya? Was her question in the archived place?

    • 31 barry 03 Sep 2014 at 11:34 am

      Chaya left hers back in March (oops … And I have some older than that)
      Try this:

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