35 Steps

According to many spiritual teachers, all human beings are, in reality, spiritual beings on a human journey. We reincarnate as human beings in order to evolve as souls.

Our ultimate aim is to become fully conscious and capable as unique individual expressions of All That Is.

It is a long journey, but that’s okay because the soul is eternal.

Soul Evolution

The soul’s journey is really a process of evolving. This means growing in consciousness, steadily progressing through different levels or stages of consciousness.

How do we grow in consciousness? Through taking on challenging experiences in physical form. These cause us to make important, “soul-searching” choices and call upon us to discover our inner resources.

But why in physical form? Why would a perfectly happy spiritual being decide to inhabit the physical realm with all of its limitations and difficulties?

It is precisely so that we can experience the state of what feels like total separation from others and from the rest of reality. Only by going into this physically separated human form can we know ourselves as beings in our own right, and not just as … well … undifferentiated blobs of energy. Being physical throws our experiences and choices into extremely sharp relief in a way that is not possible otherwise. This is how we learn who we are and how to become all that we are.

In other words:

Choice and the ramifications of choice provide the essential lessons of life. In a very real sense, you choose to be here in order to make choices.

Messages from Michael

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The 35 Steps

We are here to know ourselves and be all we can be, step by step. And according to the teachings of the entity known as Michael, there are 35 steps to the reincarnational process. The body and personality you have now are merely the vehicles you have chosen for this latest step in your journey.

But why 35 steps? Why not 36 steps? Or 10? Or 100?

It is simply because, according to Michael, we go through five major stages of evolution through reincarnation. And, within each stage there are seven increments or levels to be completed. (Yes, it is rather like a computer game.)

5 x 7 = 35.

35 steps

Each single step requires a whole lifetime to complete. In fact, each step usually requires more than one lifetime. Typically, the entire journey of 35 steps takes well over a hundred lifetimes.

So let’s look at the journey in more detail. We’ll start with the five major stages of soul evolution through reincarnation.

The Five Stages

The Michael teachings describe a sequence of five “cycles” or stages of soul evolution. They are named after the stages of human development:

Each of these five corresponds to a specific level of development in capability and self-awareness within the individual soul. As the soul goes through each stage, the focus changes, more experience is gained, and consciousness expands.

Michael Newton

Incidentally, the same pattern of soul evolution has been identified by the hypnotherapist Michael Newton (right). His groundbreaking research was published in the best-selling book Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives (Llewellyn, 1994).

The books by Newton and his students draw upon thousands of transcripts of people who, under hypnotic regression, have re-experienced being between lives. From the higher perspective of their soul they are able to explain what happens after death and before birth. This includes information about the levels of consciousness through which reincarnating souls evolve.

What Newton and others have discovered is that souls between lives exist in light-form, and that each soul emanates a particular colour of the spectrum which indicates its current level of consciousness.

The spectrum begins at white (all colours) but then goes through red, yellow, green, blue, to deep purple and violet. From low frequency to high frequency. The least evolved souls — the “newbies” — have a pinkish hue. The oldest souls — those nearing the end of the whole reincarnational cycle — have a blueish hue.

Although the spectrum is a continuum, Dr. Newton has found that it can be divided into five distinct stages or levels of evolvement, from Level I to Level V. These can be mapped onto the five stages given in the Michael teachings, from Infant soul to Old soul.

So, for example, souls in the middle (or third) stage of reincarnation are referred to as “Young souls” in the Michael teachings and they are at what Newton would call “Level III”. They will have a yellowish or golden hue.

(As an aside, both Newton and the Michael entity also identify higher levels of soul evolution which do not involve reincarnation.)

The stages of reincarnation (or soul age) can also be likened to the stages of metamorphosis we see in nature, such as egg, caterpillar, chrysalis, butterfly. In reincarnation, though, what changes is not the physical form but the mode of consciousness, especially the form of self-awareness and — as a result — the way of relating to others.

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Soul age characteristics

Soul age affects how an individual lives, thinks, acts, and comes across to others.

Stage 1 — Infant Souls

Infant souls focus on immediate survival needs. They flourish in simple environments close to nature, such as remote tribes or rural, pastoral settings.

In the context of modern society, however, they can come across as uncivilised simpletons or yokels, and may even be deemed to be psychopathic or have some sort of developmental disorder.

Psychologically, infant souls are naive, impulsive and “pre-conventional”, acting on impulse or habit with little or no thought for consequences.

Because they lack both social understanding and self-inhibition, they are capable of committing antisocial or immoral acts without any sense of wrongdoing. As such, they do not fit well within modern society and may end up in prison or in psychiatric units.

While they may lack the moral principles, social graces and cultural understanding of older souls, Infant souls are in a sense completely innocent, being without pretense or agenda.

Stage 2 — Baby Souls

In contrast to Infant souls, Baby souls think a great deal about the rights and wrongs of their actions. Their lives are about safety, security, structure and order — rigidly so. They like to live in communities that are highly principled and “civilized” (think of the Amish).

Baby souls come across to older souls as rather “square” – strictly conventional and conformist. Both their beliefs and their actions are largely rule-bound, so they are often ultra-conservative, traditionalist, orthodox, upright, moralistic, religiously devout, and mindful of law and order.

That said, they will occasionally give in to temptation, or temper tantrum, and break the rules themselves — but then might find themselves tortured with guilt and shame.

They are acutely aware of the rights and wrongs of people’s actions, including their own, though they have little insight into the motives behind them. Bad behaviour is sinful, and that’s that.

Stage 3 — Young Souls

Young souls tend to be extravert, outward-bound, worldly, frenetically energetic, brash, competitive, political, ambitious and individualistic. Life at this stage is about thinking for oneself and asserting oneself as an individual.

Young souls are more ego-driven than others, keen to make their mark in the world. They are generally attracted to some form of worldly success — fame, fortune, power, glory. In fact, they are more fearful of death than souls at other stages, and those who aren’t sure about life after death may be anxious to make a big impact on the world stage, to create some kind of symbolic immortality for themselves.

Young souls cling to their own opinions, with a certainty that their own perspective is the right perspective, and their way ahead is by far the best way. They are very aware of their own agenda but do not really question it.

Stage 4 Mature souls

Mature souls tend to be more reflective than younger souls, with a growing understanding of self, growing empathy for others, and a desire for authenticity in both. Life is less about proving oneself, and more about exploring “right relationship”.

Mature soul consciousness is no longer egocentric, in the sense of being limited to one’s own perspective and agenda, but is capable of accommodating multiple perspectives and different agendas. In fact, there is now a tension between “what I want” and “appreciating what you want,” or between the personal and the interpersonal.

This makes life much more complicated — sometimes overwhelmingly so. On the one hand, mature souls reject narrow-minded values. Yet on the other hand, they are able to empathise with whoever holds those same values. Fixed opinions are replaced by a sense of ever-shifting perspectives — “It all depends on how you look at it”.

This disappearance of solid ground can be hugely stressful, but it kicks off a search for deeper meaning and self-understanding, whether through art, psychology, philosophy or spirituality.

Mature souls tend to question everything, including their own motives, and are prone to do a lot of soul-searching (literally).

Stage 5 — Old Souls

Old souls tend to exude some degree of depth, gravitas or wisdom that is quite obvious. In children, it can be most striking (think: old head on young shoulders).

Having moved beyond the stresses and conflicts of the Mature soul, Old souls have a growing sense of inner peace and freedom — the freedom to enjoy being very much in the world, but not of it.

Compared to younger souls they are relatively calm, measured, untroubled and stable, unattached to social structures and cultural expectations, being sure of their own existence and inner strengths and their compassion for others.

On the other hand, finding themselves in a world that is so conflicted, chaotic, frantic, and superficial can be utterly depressing.

For Old souls, the aim of life is to find true self-expression and fulfillment. As such, they tend to go their own unique way in life, letting go and letting be, in a detached way that may seem very weird and eccentric to younger souls.

Late-stage old souls find themselves consciously participating in the evolution of all-that-is, and often focus on teaching spiritual wisdom with great compassion.

Note: These descriptions emphasise the differences between stages. In reality, though, there is a gradual blend from one stage to the next. A person at the start of the Mature stage, for example, will act mostly like a Young soul but with elements of Mature soul nature beginning to emerge.

The lessons of each stage

Here are the five stages of soul evolution through human reincarnation, together with the typical learning experiences associated with each stage:

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So we begin reincarnating as Infant souls, complete novices at physical existence. At this first stage we are largely in a state of incompetence and terror, frankly. But through experiences and choices we learn and grow. We steadily progress from being Infant souls to Baby souls to Young souls to Mature souls. Finally, we enter the fifth stage as accomplished Old souls, the experts of human existence.

As infant souls we learned about choices having to do with survival, as baby souls choices having to do with moral codes and ethics, as young souls choices having to do with mastery of achievement, as mature souls choices having to do with relationships, and as old souls choices having to do with the nature of oneness with the Tao. An infant soul would therefore not understand the choices of an old soul although an older soul would likely have more understanding of the nature of younger soul choice having had them.

Michael, via Victoria Marina

To look at each stage in more detail see:

Stage 1. The Infant Soul

Stage 2. The Baby Soul

Stage 3. The Young Soul

Stage 4. The Mature Soul

Stage 5. The Old Soul

Soul levels in the human population

The six or seven billion people on the planet span the whole range of stages, but the average is said to be somewhere just past the mid-point of stage 3 (see chart below). In other words, this world is currently dominated by Young souls whose primary focus is competitive self-advancement.

The seven steps within each stage

Within each stage there are seven discrete steps to go through. In the Michael teachings, they are called “levels”, so in each stage we proceed from 1st level to 7th level. Calling these “levels” can be a bit confusing (since Newton refers to the five major stages as “levels”), so I sometimes prefer to call them “steps”.

So each stage of reincarnation has seven distinct learning steps. For example, we begin the whole journey at step 1 as Infant souls, learn that lesson, then undertake step 2 as Infant souls, and so on. On completing the 7th step of the Infant stage, we then begin the 1st step of the Baby stage.

35 steps

The early steps in any stage are about experiencing life at this new stage of evolution, learning the essential lessons through appropriate experiences.

The later steps are about expressing those lessons, demonstrating this level of consciousness in action.

For example, in the Young soul stage, the first three steps — from 1st level Young soul to 3rd level Young soul — are about discovering the meaning of free will and self-determination; the last three steps — 5th level Young soul to 7th level Young soul — are about demonstrating the meaning of free will and self-determination in action. (The middle step — 4th level Young soul — is about consolidating the lessons learned.)

The first step or level of any stage is like putting a toe in the water; the final step is like teaching others how to swim:

1st Level Initiation into the new stage. “Toe in the water.” First glimpses of the new consciousness. We come to recognise that there is a whole new way of being ahead of us, and we respond to the call, even though as yet it is beyond our comprehension.
2nd Level Building foundations. Wading in and out. Comparing and contrasting the old and new consciousness. We come to understand what is essential and different about this higher level, though it still remains ‘ahead’ of us, not quite within us.
3rd Level Rising to the challenge. Taking the plunge. We determinedly commit ourselves to actively embrace and explore the new consciousness.
4th Level Integration. Relaxing into it, “enjoying the water.” We now identify ourselves with this way of understanding self, life and others – this is our truth. We fully incorporate and consolidate the new consciousness into our own being.
5th Level Expression. Splashing about – “Look at me!” We openly share and communicate our new, true sense of self and of life’s meaning. We feel drawn to broadcast our truth, to “go public” with it.
6th Level Demonstration. Giving value and benefit to others. “Being a life guard.” Our new consciousness is put to the test. We also burn off any outstanding karma incurred in the earlier steps of this stage.
7th Level Mastery. Peak performance. We have complete understanding and control of our awareness at this level. We know exactly what we are doing. We may feel like a role model. Hmm… What’s next?

This sequence of seven steps is repeated through each stage, making 35 steps in all from the beginning of reincarnation to the end.

In case you’re wondering, I’m at the 5th level of the Mature soul stage. My current life’s lesson is about outwardly expressing my Mature soul consciousness.

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Many lives

So, we start our evolutionary journey at level 1 of stage I (as “1st Level Infant souls”) and end it at level 7 of stage 5 (as “7th Level Old souls”).

There are 35 steps in all. And each single step requires at least one lifetime to complete.

A single step can be done in one lifetime but often that’s too big a stretch, so an initial life may undertaken as a taster, followed by one or two more which really go for it.

Sometimes a life is interrupted, and the soul will just have to start over in the next life. Also, some lives are undertaken for reasons other than the specific intent to develop. For example, one lifetime might be undertaken primarily to assist another soul in their development. And some lives are taken on primarily for the death experience, for karmic reasons. These can be very short, of the order of days, weeks or months.

Taking into account all the gaps spent in the non-physical state between lives, a single step is typically accomplished in about 100-300 years of Earth time.

The whole journey of 35 steps usually takes well over 100 lifetimes. Hence, the whole journey is likely to take of the order of 7,000-8,000 years, but possibly a lot more if the population is low and opportunities to incarnate are few.

Questions and Answers

Coming back again and again sounds dreadful. Why don’t we just give up and be done with it? Can’t I just decide that this is my last time?

You cannot skip any of the steps, nor would you want to (from the soul’s perspective). You wouldn’t rent a movie but then skip to the final credits just to avoid the whole process of sitting through the movie. In fact, it’s more like a computer game. You are playing the game because you want to, and at some level you actually love it. And you know perfectly well that you need to master one level before you can move on to the next level. That’s what the game is all about.

Who says?

There’s no tyrannical deity controlling the game, forcing you to keep at it, deciding who gets to “graduate” and who doesn’t. It’s just the natural dynamic of life and the evolution of consciousness. A tadpole cannot suddenly transform into a full-grown frog. A baby human cannot suddenly take on a professional career or family responsibilities. There’s a natural, inevitable sequence to go through. And we’ve all signed up for it.

But why? What’s it all about?

Well, at the level of spirit or essence, all is one, all is love, all is joy. This is all very nice, but consciousness longs to experience more and more of what there is to experience, the utter richness and fullness of life.

How does it do that?

By fragmenting into zillions of conscious entities, each of whom has its own experiences and perspective, and each of whom can make its own choices about what to experience. Any soul can choose to continue being submerged in all-that-is, albeit with little sense of self. Alternatively, any soul can choose to undergo the experience of life in a separate physical form, interacting with other souls in their own physical forms. This is the ultimate way to experience oneself as a self.

And that’s why we are here?

We have all made this choice: to use the human form as a vehicle to help us become more conscious of ourselves as the amazing beings we are. The aim is to experience every possible experience that enables us to emerge more and more consciously and fearlessly as ourselves. We begin as helpless infants for whom the experience of separate existence is quite terrifying. But we end as autonomous, self-realised beings for whom human existence is the most amazing way of being, feeling joyful and free and sharing love with the whole of life.

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966 Responses to “Reincarnation: the 35 steps of soul evolution”

  1. 1 Sister Grumpy 29 Aug 2015 at 4:27 am

    I went to the Mellen-Thomas Benedict site and listened to the free CD of his talk in L.A. I am still thinking about most of what he said, but he did raise a question in my mind about the “lineage” of reincarnation. Until recently, he said, we were all reincarnating along blood lines. But now that families do not stay together so much, we may reincarnate into “the matrix of our issues.” Now, if you have come to the end of your blood line, there is no choice but to do this. In my case, my husband and I were both the only surviving child of our parents, his sister and my brother dying in infancy. We had four children, but one died in his 30s, and the other 3 have–by choice/inability–never had children (and only one married.) My husband is deceased, and we were all the last of our blood line. Do you have any idea where I and the children are likely to reincarnate in order to continue our unfoldment?

    • 2 Ama Nazra 25 Oct 2015 at 9:17 pm

      Hi Sister Grumpy,

      We don’t usually reincarnate along bloodlines. We can, and do, choose to reincarnate within our soul family group, which also includes people with physical bodies from other genetic backgrounds. We incarnate within groups that are learning the same, or similar, life lessons. We play different roles for each other each lifetime, so that your parents might be your children next time, or your children your parents, or people you love profoundly this time around you want nothing to do with in the next lifetime. The person who hurt you most this lifetime might actually be your best friend, who you chose to help you learn a painful lesson about Love and Forgiveness. It’s very complicated and very simple.

      Bloodlines die out all the time, and others are constantly created. Our bodies have have nothing to do with our spiritual selves except as the vehicles we experience reality in. Where you will be in the next life, and between lives, is back with your soul family. No one is ever lost, we all belong to each other and we all work together towards the same goal – which is Love.

      Love & Peace
      Ama Nazra

      • 3 Ken Kaplan 26 Oct 2015 at 5:11 pm

        I agree with Ama. Not sure where T M-B got his info. My understanding is that although we tend to follow our soul group, different experiences from all humanity are important so physical bloodlines would not be primary.

  2. 4 Sister Grumpy 29 Aug 2015 at 5:02 am

    Thanks for the discussion. I hope the changes you see can happen peacefully.

  3. 5 Joe 30 Aug 2015 at 4:31 pm

    This is regarding suicide as asked by Ken. I couldn’t find the said question to add the reply as website, seems like, archived the previous questions. I couldn’t find Barry’s given link as well.

    My view.
    Eastern religion gives a lot of importance to Nishkam Yoga; Bhagavad Gita says its the finest of all yoga. Its doing ones duty with out expecting the fruits of action. Desire –> Expectation –> attachment. There is a verse in Gita to the effect, “even if one destroys whole 3 worlds, without any attachment in doing his duty, he is not bound by its karma.”

    All souls reaching a particular stage must have gone through myriad of experiences including suicide, may be multiple times. Suicide is an experience as well in itself, as being a cannibal or a saint to an equal measure. Suicide not being looked upon favorably, comes from the idea of free will and later from its logical deductions. [There is some studies done on free will by Benjamin Libet, also with fMRI and currently in theoretical physics towards consciousness and quantum mechanics.}

    The inclination is justified quite well as the illusion of free will is a major determinant for the application of the “Law of Cause and Effect,(law of Karma)”, which is one of the basic rules of the Game. So its not wise to spill the beans early in the Play; if we look through a Guide’s/Master’s perspective.


    • 6 Ken Kaplan 30 Aug 2015 at 5:40 pm


      I’m not sure about the fee will piece. I did not mean to imply that the Universe has a judgment around it. I agree it is an experience and usually one chooses to repeat the curriculum .But my Guru talked about “karmic whiplash” (God accrues interest) and in Destiny of Souls The Higher Guides (Council of Elders) made it clear they were not happy over a soul who resorted to suicide quite often. Divine Love is deep, unfathomable and unconditional but can appear stern when needed.

      In talking with angels and other like beings, I get that at the lower levels free will exists. In Joel Whitten’s “life Between Life”, he came across a woman whose contract was to have great success but instead got involved with drugs and alcohol, went off a cliff and died and completely messed up her plan. The woman who appeared before him (he was a hypnotherapist for Life Between Life regression) was an “emergency incarnation” her guides had assembled to put her back on track.

      I think at the highest levels there may not be free will. But I have seen in my own life warnings (when I fell into mental illness) a great deal was at stake by continuing in a certain direction. I think of it in two ways. One model is quantum mechanics in which everything is probability, but some probabilities are much more fixed than others. The other in conjunction is the oscilloscope in which lines (probabilities) not only within but between everyone are constantly adjusting to one another. But this happens within a framework that cannot be “jumped”.

      Part of the Earth trip imo opinion is how does one align with the doership of the God self. I have heard good psychics say, “You are a year behind”.

      So I don’t know. I see certain things moving. I see how things are put into place. An old girlfriend I had not seen in 17 years showed up at church today. Did “I” do that? absolutely not. Certain timings, many, are clearly the work of the God Self. But I do see some small amount of wiggle room for choice. It seems to spice up the game.

      There is a chapter in Yogananda where he saves a deer at his school from illness. The deer appears in a dream and says “let me go, you are preventing me from moving on which I need to do”. Was the mistake built in?

      Again. I revere ancient texts, but there is a lot of experiential things happening which seem to be clarifying these things. We could say, “But the movie has already been in the can”. Yes. But which movie? If all are probabilities within a range, then there are many possible outcomes, or some. How it ends up to a degree might depend to an extent on us. How much? I don’t know.

      • 7 Ken Kaplan 30 Aug 2015 at 5:40 pm

        P.S. Judgment around suicide.

      • 8 Joe 31 Aug 2015 at 2:03 pm

        Hello Ken,

        Meeting your GF after 17 years is not purely accidental. lol

        “We meet only those people with whom our meeting is predestined. Duration of association with each person is also preordained. One should not grieve if one is separated or if the association does not last long.” – Neem Karoli Baba.


      • 9 Joe 31 Aug 2015 at 2:19 pm

        Well, let me have the privilege to introduce Neem Karoli baba to the group who doesn’t recognize him.

        He was a mystic lived in India, active between 1950-70s,and died in 1973. He gathered fame through his western devotees like Ram Dass and Dr. Larry Brilliant. Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) was a Harvard psychologist and Larry was a physician who later participated in smallpox eradication program and google’s philanthropic arm, google.org as CEO. Both are still living and giants in their fields, so stories about baba cant be refuted as myths. Both gives public talks to prominent forums like TED.

        This is an excerpt/link on how Larry Brilliant first met baba; from d book “Miracle of Love.”



      • 10 barry 02 Sep 2015 at 8:04 am

        Ah, I know that story very well. Used many times on Enlightenment Intensives. Yep, Neem Karoli Baba – a highly evolved Old King I believe.

      • 11 Ken Kaplan 02 Sep 2015 at 1:06 pm

        Thank you for the reintroduction. We’ve discussed him before. Although he was not my “primary” Guru. I always had a very profound connection to him. IN 1992-1995 he appeared to me in a powerful series of dreams, one of which was perhaps one of the top two “Guru ‘ dreams I ever had.

        His presence ( It used to be primarily my Guru, Anandamurti, who came to me in dreams), was part of a grand teaching that Guru was not the form, but a Universal frequency using the form. When my Guru died, I had lingering issues with him because of certain events, so the real Guru, that which is everywhere and everything, just switched forms. Neem Karoloi Baba’s presence in my perception was much gentler and became a form I could work with and let in.

        It was quite an extraordinary experience. That dream is here.I still use his last command to me as it still rings in my ears. What is true for one is true for all from the Higher Self.

        “The sharp, piercing chord of that call, responding to the seeds of my dreams, and not yet germinated with the appearance of the Guru beyond his physical death in the channeled state, came to me on a September morning in 1992. Anandamurti had always been in my dreams, but on this morning, something equally auspicious happened, something that would take me much time to fathom its full import and purpose. I had a dream, but not with my “Baba”. It was with Ram Das’ Guru, Neem Karoli Baba. In the dream I recalled that Ram Das had written that one of the most powerful moments of grace you could receive from his Guru was to catch the Guru’s gaze and have him hold it on you. In the dream, a cranky Ram Das was setting up a sixteen- millimeter camera in a small room. He kept muttering and commenting that he didn’t know why this was being done, why I was supposed to get this, but he set it up nd then was gone. As I watched the film begin to roll, Neem Karoli Baba appeared looking exactly like his pictures, wearing only his famous blanket. Almost immediately he turned, straightened up, and looked right at me. His gaze was steady and he held me in it for over thirty seconds, pointedly making it clear that it he was fixated on me. This dream, this encounter, this moment was to be for me. Then the scene began to shift and I was in his country, a land possessed and protected by him. It was green and lush, expansive and quiet, and made up mostly of soft grassy fields, with some woods. Then, like a beautiful song, in short, exact “edited” pieces, the various parts of me, all of them from my psyche, began to call and speak out. The scene unfolded as a kaleidoscope, as each piece represented by someone I knew or someone well known, took his turn. In the safety of his land, each called out their truth in a mesmerizing, flowing sequence.

        Suddenly, Neem Karoli Baba appeared before me again, only this time, not on film. He looked me right in the eye, his presence radiating an incredible force, and said, ”Whatever you have, whatever you need, whatever you do…YOU BRING IT TO ME”.

        I woke up with a jolt, the echo of his message resounding in my head. As I sat up, with my head in my hands, my body flooded with energy, I felt my center at my solar plexus, known as the third chakra, on fire. The Divine energy had been so aroused that the flame of it literally “lit up” my stomach area like a huge incandescent candle. I couldn’t believe it. The sensation was so visceral and real. I was “buzzing” uncontrollably. I put my head in my hands, swept away by the immense power of what had just occurred, and said to myself, “I have to write a book about this stuff”. At that moment something gave way, and I knew at some time, somewhere, my story was important enough to tell and share publicly.

      • 12 Ken Kaplan 31 Aug 2015 at 7:58 pm

        Soul agreements in a nutshell.

      • 13 SunGoddess 31 Aug 2015 at 11:38 pm

        Ken do you have any insight on how aliens play into all of this? I Understand that we are all spiritual beings on a human journey. But I have read quite a bit about the Anunnaki and the decendents of them with -O neg blood. The Queen and all the royals have -O neg blood. Or just aliens in general, what about the ancient pyramids and the writings that they contain? I’ve read that aliens brought us here to planet earth, I know it sounds far fetched, but something has left behind quite a bit of information. Is there a way to piece this all together? I guess we’re all aliens👽 to a certain extent, but the technology they had hundreds of 1000’s of years ago we’re just now getting. Are the aliens spiritual beings as well?

      • 14 Ken Kaplan 01 Sep 2015 at 7:09 am

        Here is my take from studying with a channeled Master presence (one of many I have worked with) for 7 years. The distinction of issues of “aliens, etc” is part of the game of the separation of the mind if any fear is involved. Since all are one and at the highest level everything is agreed upon, there is nothing to fear. All are expressions of Source.

        It is, however, more generally accepted that certain star systems, Sirius, Pleiades, Arcturus have played strong generative and supportive roles regarding human development while the Orion system has in part been rather negative. In the last 5 years I with others (and many before me earlier) have intensively off and on been working with ET guidance, especially the Arcturians. Barbara Marciniak’s works , including the classic “Bringers of the Dawn, which changed my life, comes from the Pleiadians. It is also regarded that many light workers have ET “blood or ancestry and are star seed related. That’s you and me, etc.

        I have a wonderful little book which I recently got again called “ET 101: The Cosmic Instruction Manual for Cosmic Evolution, an Emergency Earth Remedial Edition.” They distinguish between ET and Alien thus.
        “An extraterrestrial is a being whom is in sympathetic resonance with the essence of its genesis.”

        “There is no need to scour the skies for evidence of an alien invasion (as opposed to ET’s.) Look around you instead. Look at those who are peddling fear, vending death, and poisoning the planet…There is no point in fearing an invasion of aliens, since the invasion has already happened and the aliens are already here. You would be better advised to fear that no true intelligence will ever show up on this planet. (It has) And you would be better advised to fear nothing at all”

        “Now that you have learned the difference between ET and Alien, we would like you to forget the distinction immediately. The danger in the definition is that, as mental concepts, they separate once again. This mission is not about separation. Nor is it a Hollywood Western being performed by a cast of good guys and bad guys. It is about light and bringing more of it onto this planet. The invitation to enter into light is extended to all humankind, aliens included, for aliens are only extraterrestrials who have chosen to stand in the darkness., like a lie , and wear a disguise.
        (Extraterrestrial is a transitional which will become unnecessary by the completion of this mission. At this point, human will replace the term. An awareness of your extraterrestrial nature will then be an integral part of all human experience, and “aliens” will no longer occupy the planet.”

        Hope this helps.

      • 15 Ken Kaplan 01 Sep 2015 at 7:12 am

        transitional term

      • 16 Joe 08 Sep 2015 at 12:34 am


        A concern I have, regarding the Michael’s Teachings are after 7th level under old soul stage, it ends abruptly. There are many incarnations still beyond, on Earth, who comes here under their volition and goodwill. Like Avatars or Sages in Hinduism or Master Guides according to M. Newton.

        ( A story from Ramakrishna and his Disciples).

        “Ramakrishna had a vision of Swami Vivekananda before he met him.

        Absorbed, one day, in samadhi, Ramakrishna had found that his mind was soaring high, going beyond the physical universe of the sun, moon, and stars, and passing into the subtle region of ideas. As it continued to ascend, the forms of gods and goddesses were left behind, and it crossed the luminous barrier separating the phenomenal universe from the Absolute, entering finally the transcendental realm.

        There Ramakrishna saw seven venerable sages absorbed in meditation. These, he thought, must have surpassed even the gods and goddesses in wisdom and holiness, and as he was admiring their unique spirituality he saw a portion of the undifferentiated Absolute become congealed, as it were, and take the form of a Divine Child. Gently clasping the neck of one of the sages with His soft arms, the Child whispered something in his ear, and at this magic touch the sage awoke from meditation. He fixed his half-open eyes upon the wondrous Child, who said in great joy: ‘I am going down to earth. Won’t you come with me?’ With a benign look the sage expressed assent and returned into deep spiritual ecstasy.

        Ramakrishna was amazed to observe that a tiny portion of the sage, however, descended to earth, taking the form of light, which struck the house in Calcutta where Narendra’s family lived, and when he saw Narendra for the first time, he at once recognized him as the incarnation of the sage. He also admitted that the Divine Child who brought about the descent of the rishi was none other than himself.”

        Where they (Ramakrishna or Vivekananda) are placed under Michael’s teachings? To me they cant be Old Souls, level 7.

        P.S:- I presume, the seven Sages are the Saptarishis according to Hinduism and the Plane of ideas are the casual plane aptly described by Sri Yukteshwar in the book, “Autobiography of a Yogi”.


      • 17 Ken Kaplan 08 Sep 2015 at 4:19 am

        We have addressed this several times as it comes up often. You might look in the archives. Basically the 5 stages are for physical incarnation. There are according to Michael two more stages with 7 sub stages beyond. These would encompass issues such as higher planes, more complete merger, what we call Ascended Master energy and realms. The mind can barely conceive.

        Nice story.

  4. 18 Ken Kaplan 30 Aug 2015 at 5:18 pm

    How do we access archives> The site flipped and now we have only 3 posts? There used to be an “older post” place but I don’t see it.Thanks.

    • 19 barry 30 Aug 2015 at 5:48 pm

      Yeh, I’m not sure why that is tbh – possibly the way I’ve set the max size of threads or something. I’ll see what I can do. But meantime at the very bottom below the last comment there’s always a left arrow and a bit of text saying “« Older Comments” – click on that and it takes you to the last 50 or so.


      • 20 barry 30 Aug 2015 at 5:51 pm

        Just going to experiment with settings. Things might go weird briefly.

  5. 21 Ken Kaplan 30 Aug 2015 at 6:44 pm

    I see it. Thanks. So you can “scroll back”. If you can set up an complete archives it would help. WE tend to recycle topics. And I loved the passage from Michael on the dispassion of the Soul.

  6. 22 Sister Grumpy 30 Aug 2015 at 11:35 pm

    There were close to 1,000 comments on the page we were seeing! Can they be set to show excerpts of each one with a link to “Read more” after each one?

    • 23 barry 31 Aug 2015 at 6:53 pm

      Hmmmm…… I’ll keep fiddling under the hood

  7. 24 Wozzeh_ the Architect 02 Nov 2015 at 5:23 pm

    this is kewl. In the end, it would be better to accomplish much in the way of wisdom and knowledge. I should just be okay being an ancient soul. Someday, I’ll realize it is amazing! I got told to stop trying to be a baby. lol
    That happiness is from being my true self, and helping children grow.

    But is it possibru to know how many lives I have lived? Including this one?

    • 25 SunGoddess 02 Nov 2015 at 5:43 pm

      Maybe through your akashic records.

    • 26 Ken Kaplan 02 Nov 2015 at 7:34 pm

      My advice is to forget it. Even if you knew, how does it effectively help you deal with the lessons of this one?

    • 27 barry 02 Nov 2015 at 8:38 pm

      You could start here Wozzeh:


  8. 28 James 09 Nov 2015 at 2:59 am

    well-meaning but no real substance and too simplistic

    • 29 Ken Kaplan 09 Nov 2015 at 7:06 am

      Each to his own.

  9. 30 Ken Kaplan 14 Nov 2015 at 8:21 pm

    This is for James. James I am doing this for the benefit of a larger audience and you are the example. I don’t know if your response was to Barry’s link and info or the philosophy of the site. You will notice over six years of comments on this topic. In them there are questions, answers, references to books, personal experiences that validate the material, cross references to religious and spiritual traditions, etc. Obviously this has been deeply thought out, investigated, and been around the track.

    Your comment typifies what I call the “new atheist” stance on religion and spirituality but since you did not elaborate, you just as well may have come form a more established tradition.

    My point is these types of critiques come from a place usually of someone who thinks they understand or know a topic but in reality not only has very little knowledge of the landscape but also has not taken any time whatsoever to investigate or explore what the topic is all about.

    The new atheists do this all the time. They think they know everything. They know nothing. They make a blanket assumption based on the lowest hanging fruit of the excesses of conventional Western religion. They know nothing about Eastern religions and their sophistication. They know nothing about the vast and diverse history of over 5000 years of the mystical traditions, from the Yogis to the Buddhist Rimpoches to the Sufis. They have no interest or desire to learn of the validity of the connection to what be termed “atmospheric presence” of the unseen, because they are founded in “scientific fundamentalism.” And what is worse, they *refuse* to make the effort.

    Since I am an early childhood expert of 30 years, it is akin to someone who pontificates that early childhood education is merely “baby sitting”. They have no knowledge of child development, of the extensive work over decades in behavior, of neural development in young children
    nor any of the extensive research that validates the importance of quality early chlldhood care and the reams and volumes of research on methods that elevate chidren’s growth and learning.It is a real problem in America. The self anointed ignorant expert. Your response was not only deeply shallow, but incredibly callow as well.(Callow- inexperienced and immature.)

    Thank you for demonstrating a real problem in this world.

    • 31 barry 15 Nov 2015 at 2:58 pm

      Hi Ken – not sure if you follow my blog posts but you might be interested in seeing the latest: My first Michael reading, rediscovered.

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