Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

Journey’s End

Having completed the fourth stage of reincarnation*, the soul has come a long way.

  • In the first stage, as an “Infant Soul” it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
  • In the second stage, as a “Baby/Child Soul” it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
  • In the third stage, as a “Young Soul” it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
  • In the fourth stage, as a “Mature Soul” it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.

At last, the soul is ready for the final leg of the journey: the return to unity and the end of reincarnation.

* For an overview of the stages of soul evolution, see Reincarnation: the 35 Steps

In Search of Unity

The Old Soul already has a well-developed sense of independence (from its Young Soul phase) and inter-dependence (from the Mature Soul phase). Now the soul also feels drawn to reconnect with the greater order of things, the underlying cosmic unity.

This does not mean overthrowing the lessons of the previous stages in favour of some nice, fluffy notion of oneness. Rather, it means coming to terms with all of life’s dualities (self and other, love and hate, joy and pain, etc.) as integral to the whole. In fact, the main lesson for Old Souls is to do with finding unity within diversity.

The Realised Self

This return to unity does not involve any loss of individuality, as some imagine. The end of reincarnation — “ascension” or “enlightenment” or what have you — does not mean fading out of existence, dissolving into nothingness.

Rather, the soul completes its adventure as a unique individual, like a distinctive star in the night sky, a completely realised Self.

So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization. In other words, seeking experiences and activitiies which provide ultimate personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane.

This could be found in, say, art, science, acting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, living up to its true potential, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

Gangaji (American spiritual teacher)

For some, especially Old Priest souls, the teaching focus is explicitly spiritual. Many of the world’s great spiritual teachers were/are Old Souls: Buddha, Jesus, Ramana Maharshi, and so on.

But that’s not to say that every self-proclaimed guru is an Old Soul. Far from it. There are spiritual teachers at all stages of reincarnation. But the advanced Old Soul has certain characteristics as a spiritual teacher that stand out from the rest: far-reaching wisdom, great compassion, inner peace, and little or no attachment to material things.


Old Soul Perceptions

In this final cycle on the Earth plane, the soul develops a more holistic perception of self, life and everything as part of a bigger picture. So while a Mature Soul (stage IV) comes to perceive others as its brothers and sisters, an Old Soul (stage V) comes to perceive both self and others as integral parts of a greater whole, all unique yet all essential.

In other words, the individual comes to perceive every thing, every being, every moment, as part of one great tapestry.

The issue now is how to relate to this united reality through one’s own being — how to be at peace with all of the conflicts, how to experience the harmony within all of the diversity.

This involves recognising the validity of each being’s chosen path in life within the broader scheme of things. We are all part of the One, and yet we are many, each pursuing a different path. And no path is wrong. Hence the Old Soul motto: “You do your thing and I’ll do mine.”

Richard Feynman

Richard Feynman (6th-level Old King)

Old Soul Lifestyles

Old Souls become more relaxed, laid back and detached in life. Human existence is familiar and manageable, and there are not so many problems or issues to deal with. The main issues, in fact, are existential rather than material or psychological.

Doing their own thing, Old Souls end up pursuing nothing but their own path whilst allowing others to pursue theirs, just perfecting their own abilities, being themselves in life to the best that they can. Many do so through artistic, humanitarian or philosophical endeavours, though for many others their greatest form of self-fulfillment can be something as mundane as gardening. Work, rest and play all become the same thing.

A potential difficulty for Old Souls is lapsing into apathy or complacency, no longer caring about life and the world. Unlike Young Souls, they are not driven to complete major projects before they die. As the physical plane begins to lose its allure, an older soul can show signs of being world-weary, even from birth.

In the end, joy is found in simply being as opposed to doing.

Amma – the hugging humanitarian (Old Server)

Other Old Soul Characteristics

How can you spot an old soul?

Old Souls have a level of self-assurance that is unusual for souls in other stages. This isn’t the same as the brash confidence or “can-do” attitude of Young Souls. Rather, Old Souls are generally relaxed and philosophical about life, at ease with themselves and others, and have fewer worldly concerns.

That’s not to say that Old Souls have no issues; many clearly do. (We all have issues of some sort right up until our very last life.) But unlike Mature Souls, Old Souls do not let their issues stress them out.

Old Souls tend to emanate a calm, steady quality that has substance, depth or gravitas. In contrast, Young Souls tend to appear frantic and superficial while Mature Souls seem perpetually stressed and assailed by life. You can often hear it in the voice —

  • Young Souls tend to talk loud and fast (“I’m right and you know it!”)
  • Mature Souls have a sort of soft tone laced with uncertainty (“I’m really not sure I can cope with this …”)
  • Old Souls tend to have a slow, deep voice – relaxed, assured and unhurried (“If there’s one thing I know, it’s that I know nothing…”).

This inner calm and depth is also evident in the old soul’s eyes. Whereas Young Souls cannot make eye contact for long, and Mature Souls will do so occasionally, when they’re not too stressed or distracted, Old Souls tend to make direct eye contact with an unflinching gaze. (Note: This is not the same as the cold stare of a psychopath!) They are unafraid to look another in the eyes and see into their heart.

Old Souls are like citizens of the world, not so much identified with their country or culture of origin. They tend to be drawn to the quiet life away from the noise of the city. Old Kings in particular will tend to spend their last lives as homeless, wandering teachers.

Some Notable Old Souls

Old souls who become famous tend to do so by virtue of their mastery, insight and wisdom rather than ambition.

Many of the finest minds in history have been old souls: Marcus Aurelius (121-180), Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Carl Jung (1875-1961).

In the arts we have the composer J. S. Bach (1685-1750), the painter Paul Gauguin (1848-1903, now apparently reincarnated as artist Peter Teekamp).

Also the writer Walt Whitman (1819-1892), now apparently reincarnated as the writer/activist Alice Walker.

Walt Whitman - Alice Walker

Walt Whitman & Alice Walker

In the acting profession, there are numerous Old Souls who excel at playing characters who are, essentially, younger souls — mainly because there aren’t that many scripts featuring older soul characters! Consider, for example, Michael Dorn playing Lt Worf in Star Trek TNG. Morgan Freeman is well known for the gravitas he brings to every role.

     Michael Dorn

Clint Eastwood’s acting reveals a mix of Warrior soul combativeness with old soul detachment, but it is as a director that he has achieved mastery.

Finally, many of the world’s great spiritual teachers have been late-stage old souls passing on their wisdom: Gurdjieff (1866-1949), Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895-1986), Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950), Anandamayi Ma (1896-1962), Neem Karoli Baba (d. 1973), the Dalai Lama, Ammachi (Mātā Amritanandamayī Devi), and Thich Nhat Hanh.

The End of Reincarnation

There are seven levels to every stage of soul evolution, including this one. After completing the 7th level of the Mature Soul stage, the soul begins its next life as a 1st-level Old Soul. The soul then undergoes the whole cycle of development, one life at a time, until finally it reaches 7th level. This is the final step, step 35, in the 35 steps of reincarnation.

Now, I occasionally meet people who are convinced that they must now be in their final incarnation simply because they are so “spiritual” and have no liking for the material world. This is not how it works.

The goal of evolution is not to escape from the wretched physical plane, despite what many teach. The end of reincarnation is not some sort of reward for good behaviour. Human existence is not a prison, or a wheel of torment, from which only the most worthy gain liberation.

We incarnate because we want to and we choose to. We keep doing it precisely because we want to come to terms with it. We know that in each life we will probably spend several decades not remembering who we are, not remembering our eternal Home, buying into the illusion of separation, experiencing fear. This is the very stuff which inspires us to become more conscious.

Completion occurs when it matters not whether you are incarnate or discarnate: you see through the illusion and you always feel at Home.

If you have issues with being physical, then you still have a way to go.

So the last lifetime is one in which you are very content to be in physical form, using it as an opportunity to teach and enlighten others.

Ramana Maharshi An example of someone in their last life is Ramana Maharshi, a 7th-level Old Scholar and a model of pure enlightenment. Towards the end of his life, some of his students begged him not to die, not to leave them. His answer was: “But where could I possibly go?” He knew that both he and everybody else are already Home, and always will be, having never really left it.

→ See: Abide As The Self [DVD]

Cycling Off: The Higher Stages

On completion of the seventh level of the Old Soul stage (or “cycling off”), there is no longer any need or desire to reincarnate. The soul will unify its consciousness with soul mates who have also completed, and it may serve as an elder spirit guide to others still undergoing reincarnation. But there is no longer value to be had in incarnating as a human being.

There are some rare exceptions, however.

A number of old Priest souls such as the philosopher Socrates, the Prophet Mohammed and Mahatma Gandhi are said to have incarnated to become vehicles for a higher level of consciousness capable of inspiring a cultural revolution. The higher consciousness manifested through these individuals only in later life. From that point on, they are referred to in the Michael teachings as “transcendental souls”.

Rarer still, Jesus Christ and the Buddha are said to be examples of old King souls who returned to become the physical embodiment of divine love, pure consciousness and ultimate truth, the Tao itself in human form. In other words, avatars. Again, the transformation did not occur until some point in adulthood. But from then on, these individuals are said to be manifestations of the “infinite soul”.

Recommended reading

The Michael Handbook

A Channeled System For Self Understanding
(Warwick Press, 1990)
Amazon link

Journey of Souls

Case Studies of Life Between Lives
(Llewellyn, 1994)
Amazon link

Old Souls

The Sages and Mystics of Our World
(KINDLE only: Amazon, 2013)
Amazon link


The Five Stages of Reincarnation

Stage 1
Stage 2
Stage 3
Stage 4
Stage 5
Infant Soul Baby Soul Young Soul Mature Soul Old Soul


341 Responses to “Stage 5: The Old Soul”

  1. 1 Jake 02 Jul 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Hey Barry,

    I’m sorry to say but I’m not sure if I agree with the statement about old souls not experiencing much psychological discomfort. I’m an old soul and my life’s full of it, although I’m not sure if it’s due to the fact I’m still developing as I’m still quite young. I know it’s been said that everyone has to go through past soul levels so that they can reach there current level, so do you think it’s to do with that?


    • 2 barry 03 Jul 2015 at 12:17 pm

      Hi Jake,

      I’ve emphasised the differences between stages, and while I do know that old souls go through their own shit it’s nothing like the agony that confronts mature souls. I don’t mean to suggest or imply that life is easy for old souls.

      I personally know some old souls who are struggling with stuff that is emotionally difficult. But unlike mature souls, old souls are very unlikely to be driven insane by their issues. Uncomfortable issues are certainly still there to be dealt with, otherwise there would be no reason to reincarnate. But old soul issues are more quietly existential (“how do I reconcile myself with finding meaning in a meaningless world?”) while mature souls are more likely to experience torment until they find “the way”. Jack the Ripper, for example, has often been described as a mature priest in torment.

      As you have pointed out, being still quite (physically) young in your own case, it is likely that you are “tying up loose ends” from old issues before getting stuck into your current true life task as an old soul, which will commence around age 40-ish.

      • 3 Jake 11 Jul 2015 at 8:50 pm

        Thanks, yeah I can imagine mature souls go through a lot of shit. I guess for me it’s all stemmed around being so fundamentally different. In a young soul world it’s hard being two steps from the norm.

  2. 4 Sister Grumpy 02 Jul 2015 at 4:38 pm

    I think it is quite likely that when we incarnate as an old soul, we have to climb the steps of former levels in the early years (recapitulate), and if we can “test out,” then we can “get credit,” without having to go through the whole thing again. It is shown that as embryos we pass through stages where we have gills and a tail, among other things, so why not have something analogous (mentally) as we incarnate to a higher level?
    I have experienced several episodes in this life where I found that once I understood why the same thing kept happening, and what I was supposed to do about it, that type of thing stopped happening, and I was able to move on…or move up.

    • 5 barry 04 Jul 2015 at 1:22 pm

      The Michael teachings refer to this recapitulation as the gradual manifestation of true soul age. But it’s not just about revisiting unresolved stuff from the past — it’s also a natural and inevitable growth process. A newborn infant, even if she is an Old Soul, has to start individuating as a new and distinct personality from scratch: equivalent to infant soul, level 1.

      In each life, no matter what our soul age on the “inside”, it takes about 3-4 decades before we can fully manifest the true depth of our perception and awareness in our outer behaviour. This is partly because of the veil of amnesia that affects us with each new incarnation, and partly because we are always born into a fresh body with a different brain, in a new family and culture. We generally have to adapt to WHERE we are before we can find ourselves and then act from WHO we are. (There are some exceptions, but this is the usual pattern.)

      So in our first few years of each life, we act outwardly like Infant souls, then as young kids we act more like Baby souls, and so on. An infant soul will “level out” pretty early on in life, but for most of us the level-out point is usually around age 35 or so (i.e. the approximate mid-point of human life). In other words, we spend the first half of a typical life gradually “coming to” and “coming out” with our true soul age (awareness, depth), and then the second half of life using that to work on our soul task for that life.

      Some people (personalities) can turn into a case of arrested development. For example, a Mature soul might get “stuck” at manifesting like a Young soul if they are always surrounded by Young souls and have no access to insights from other Mature souls (e.g., art, literature, science, philosophy, spirituality).

      As you point out, though, each passage through an earlier stage is also an opportunity to resolve anything left unresolved from the past. In our 20s, for example, we might revisit issues with (say) fame and fortune that originally arose for us as Young souls.

      I am writing an article about all this which should be available v soon!


  3. 6 Sister Grumpy 04 Jul 2015 at 8:24 pm

    I will certainly want to read that article. I know that my parents did not pressure me to do any particular thing with my life (maybe since I was a girl growing up in the ’50s.) I married and had a family. But I did begin to use my initiative in my mid-30s, began taking some college courses in my 40s, got divorced, went back to school for my degree, and changed careers at 50. Now at 77, I am still single, retired, happy, and writing 3 blogs.

  4. 7 Zach 15 Jul 2015 at 2:37 am

    I find this interesting. I was approached by a man, whom I know as an acquaintance, and was asked to provide my full name and date of birth. He invited me to dinner a week later where I met his wife. She described my personality to a disturbing perfection, and explained to me that I was an ancient soul, that this was to my last journey on this plane, and that my main goal in this life was to learn to be fully independent.

    I am not spiritually inclined, though a strange woman at a barnes & noble once told me I have an “enormous aura”. It’s merely a strange coalescence.

  5. 8 Gaz 01 Aug 2015 at 12:43 am

    I read this and it just resonates so much with me, especially the traits of an old soul. That reads like some who knows me well and can describe me in great detail.

    I’ve come to many of this pages findings on my own, but it is nice to see that I’m getting these feelings and thoughts correct. GOOD POST.

  6. 9 Tonya 27 Aug 2015 at 10:35 am

    I tend to believe that if you believe you are an old soul you probably aren’t.

    • 10 Raymond 27 Aug 2015 at 11:26 pm

      Why, Tonya? I think that this is a pretty reductive argument. You may be right, but then again you may be wrong (nice Billy Joel song :-) Maybe some people are old souls and actually know that they are, while others (as you say) may think that they are, but they’re not.

    • 11 andrej rasic 04 Dec 2015 at 3:54 pm

      Part of me think I am, part think I’m not. Or should “I” say parts..

  7. 12 Mark 07 Sep 2015 at 7:32 am

    My view with what I am experiencing and my research of it.
    On your last incarnation you are born a medium, and at some stage run into your twin soul. This meeting is set up prior to birth, and is rare.
    You both then go to the higher dimensions together. (when you pass of course)

  8. 13 Sabbi 06 Oct 2015 at 4:19 am

    Hi..i am always worried about ending the journey i am tired of the world..i am an old soul that is what my inner voice tells me..but till recently i was stuck in relationship issues which i always approached on a soul level that is craving my soul to merge into him. The relationship was full of insecurity of separation. The feelings were too intense to tolerate . I am 23 . My issue is self doubt and insecurity..i am never too sure of any answer i get about life..theories and answers come up but i keep doubting. I want just ‘someone’ one person if at all to completely see , understand and know me as i am it is. I feel misunderstood.

    • 14 Sister Grumpy 07 Oct 2015 at 1:16 am

      Sabbi, these days, that desire is often expressed as, “I just want someone who GETS me.” Wanting to merge into someone else is just as bad as trying to lose yourself in the initial emotional euphoria of a mutual attraction. The fear of separation is the belief that you will be nothing without him. A lasting relationship is built on true friendship, respect, trust, and loyalty. You may see yourself in the other person because you share the same values. But there must be differences, too, so that each of you can grow and find out new things about each other and yourselves. That keeps it interesting. Wanting someone to see you as you really are is a one-sided relationship; you must also want to see him as he really is.

  9. 15 Quel 10 Nov 2015 at 6:55 pm

    I remember a past life. I also know I found someone that I know from a past life. When we saw each other I felt home again. I don’t think we need to fallow each other along side by side in this life. I think we came to learn what we could not learn in the last life. He had died and I could not do anything about it. I love him more than words can say, but in this life I think I’m supposed to help and learn from him and then allow him to learn for himself. Sorry for the random post. thanks for reading.

  10. 16 Remy 01 Dec 2015 at 4:19 pm

    Filmmaking seems to attract ‘old souls’. A lot of great film directors fall into the category.

    Bresson, Ozu, Mizoguchi, Antonioni, Renoir, Rossellini, Dreyer, Rivette, Hitchcock, Rohmer-all Old Souls I’d say.

    Bunuel, Godard, and Pasolini you could all make a case for as either old or mature.

    Bergman, Fassbinder, Truffaut, and Tarkovsky were most likely mature.

    • 17 barry 04 Dec 2015 at 8:42 am

      Great observation. And not forgetting Old Warrior Clint Eastwood. Spielberg is very much a Mature Artisan, and Bresson appears to be too, though I doubt he’s also an Idealist like Spielberg.

      Looking quickly at some of those faces, I would tentatively guess…

      Bergman — 7th level Mature or early Old Scholar
      Bresson — pos a Scholar-cast Artisan, not sure of age
      Bunuel — hmm, tricky, Looks a bit mad so probably a Mature Priest
      Godard — Mature Artisan
      Hitchcock is known to be a Server, presumably with dominance
      Mizoguchi – more than a hint of Server there, maybe Scholar-cast Server or v-v?
      Ozu – I lean to Priest, Mature or Old
      Pasolini — wow, Old King at a guess
      Renoir – I’d guess either a Warrior or a Sage with mode of aggression
      Fassbinder – quite a complex face, which suggests Mature. And at a guess, a King-cast Artisan.
      Rossellini – looks pretty enigmatic, so I would guess Old Proest
      Truffaut – Mature Artisan? (Priest cast?)
      Tarkovsky – Mature / Old Warrior?

      • 18 Remy 05 Dec 2015 at 4:42 pm

        Godard’s tough to say. If he’s Mature I’d go with scholar personally, but certainly in the second half of his life, he’s acted ‘old’ in many ways. His whole “the world is fucked, but there’s nothing I can do about it, I’m just going to go retreat to my lakeside village near Geneva and smoke Cohibas” screams old soul to me.

      • 19 Remy 06 Dec 2015 at 12:20 am

        As for Spielberg, I’m sorry, but I can’t see him being anything more than young. I just don’t think mature or old souls would produce art that’s THAT commercial friendly and universally ‘beloved’. Just my opinion though.

      • 20 barry 06 Dec 2015 at 11:36 am

        Spielberg’s films may be populist, but I think he is great at sincerely portraying the emotional dramas and multi-layered complexities of the characters, even in an action-horror film like Jaws. A young soul is relatively blind to the different inner worlds of multiple characters – young soul movies (e.g., Rambo) take a single perspective and the story revolves around worldly success through action, adventure and victory.

        Mature souls aren’t shy of success, they just struggle to come to terms with it. Many have cried “Down with capitalism” or “World peace now” and have made a nice fortune from doing so. Nothing wrong with that – it’s all grist for the mill to a mature soul, trying to reconcile the apparent conflict between “saving the world” and “fulfilling my own desires”.

        Many of the world’s most beloved works, such as the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, are made by Mature Artisans at the height of their creative powers. Not all of them get recognition and financial success while still alive though.

      • 21 Remy 06 Dec 2015 at 12:37 pm

        Perhaps Spielberg was on the Young/Mature cusp. I don’t know. By and large though mature souls tend not to value worldly success. With that in mind, young souls I think can still be highly intelligent and artistically talented. I don’t think *creative genius* is strictly the purview of mature and old souls. I think it’s reductive to suggest young souls all just want to be investment bankers. I think young souls can be geniuses to, although to their detriment, they may be emotionally invested in being *Great Artists* above all else, overly concerned with their own cultural capital. Picasso, Dali, Fellini, and Miles Davis all come to mind IMHO. As for Clint Eastwood, he’s too much of a rank and file Republican to be an old soul in my opinion, even if his public persona is that of the ‘wise old man’ singing the virtues of Americana, “back in my day men were men” and blah blah blah. I’m sorry, but I can’t buy a bonafide ‘old soul’ making a speech at the Republican National Convention. Bogie and Brando on the other hand I’d say were arguably old souls. And also possibly Burt Lancaster.

  11. 22 Jane 26 Dec 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Hi Barry,

    Thank you for all the valuable information. I’ve been searching for answers for about as long as I can remember- my major conflict is that I feel lost in every moment and unsure generally of who I am at the very core. When I read about the soul at all stages, I identify greatly with all types and have a difficult time narrowing it down.

    What are some ways I might find out? Are there ways/methods, or is it purely an internal understanding?

    Thank you so much,

    • 23 barry 07 Jan 2016 at 5:32 pm

      Hi Jane

      See this FAQ:

  12. 24 Hermegerd 08 Jan 2016 at 6:24 am

    Homie, just got my reading from the Troy. I am stage 1 old soul. And apparently… My frequency is 98. And I this is Cray Cray. I am a stubborn sammich smuthered in self deprivation, martyrdom, and arrogance. And a bun made of stubbornness…. Wow………… [meow]

  13. 25 Stephen Cocconi 02 Feb 2016 at 8:15 pm

    Isn’t it interesting that Richard Feynman the Physicist was also an Atheist.

    • 26 barry 07 Feb 2016 at 3:42 pm

      Ah, I wasn’t aware of that. Cheers Stephen!

  14. 27 zendar242 08 Feb 2016 at 4:40 pm

    I am an old soul and my life has been full of challenges. From physical, diabetes and alcoholism to mental/emotional with PTSD. Looking at my issues from within meditation, the answers seem simple. All my issues seem to originate in the old belief that i am separate from God. When i practice the presence of God, my entire being shifts and i become more open to the flow of the energy and movement of God. The more i am aware that i am the presence of God in my individualized form, the less important my issues become. Karen Drucker wrote a song called “I am the Face of God”. This says it very well.

    I am the face of God.
    You are the face of God.
    We are the face of God.

    • 28 barry 09 Feb 2016 at 7:37 am


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