Those undergoing the fifth and final stage of reincarnation are known as old souls. In this stage of soul evolvement there is a search for balance and completion, and an urge to pass on the torch before the end of reincarnation.

Journey’s End


Having completed the fourth stage of reincarnation, the soul has come a long way.

  • In the first stage, as an “infant soul” it learned about physical existence, life and death, and the need for nurturing.
  • In the second stage, as a “baby soul” it learned about society, culture and community, the need for structure, belonging, and playing a role.
  • In the third stage, as a “young soul” it learned about free will and self-determination, taking charge of its own destiny, rising to the challenge.
  • In the fourth stage, as a “mature soul” it learned about co-existence and interrelatedness, taking responsibility for its relationships, honouring difference and otherness.

At last, the soul is ready for the final leg of the journey: the return to unity and the end of reincarnation.

This return to unity does not involve any loss of individuality, as some imagine. The end of reincarnation — “ascension” or “enlightenment” or what have you — does not mean fading out of existence, dissolving into nothingness.

Rather, the soul completes its adventure as a unique individual, like a distinctive star in the night sky, a completely realised Self.

So to begin this stage, the soul will tend to focus on true self-expression and self-actualization. In other words, seeking experiences and activitiies which provide ultimate personal fulfilment within life on the physical plane. 

This could be found in, say, art, science, acting, wine-growing, gardening, flying old aeroplanes, or simply being a grandparent. The soul is not interested in success or fame so much as doing something it loves well, living up to its true potential, and finding inner satisfaction.

Then, towards the end of the stage, there is more of an emphasis on teaching rather than simply learning: passing on the lessons learnt, showing others the way.

Gangaji (American spiritual teacher)

For some, especially Old Priest souls, the teaching focus is explicitly spiritual. Many of the world’s great spiritual teachers are old souls.

That’s not to say that every self-proclaimed guru is an old soul. Far from it. There are spiritual teachers at all stages of reincarnation. But the advanced old soul has certain characteristics as a spiritual teacher that stand out from the rest: far-reaching wisdom, great compassion, and little or no attachment to material things.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t


The main lesson for old souls is to do with unity in diversity. The old soul already has a well-developed sense of personal identity (from the young soul phase) and interdependence (from the mature soul phase). Now the soul also feels drawn to reconnect with the greater order of things, the underlying cosmic unity.

This does not mean overthrowing the lessons of the previous stages in favour of some nice, fluffy notion of oneness. Rather, it means coming to terms with all of life’s dualities (self and other, love and hate, joy and pain, etc.) as integral to the whole.

Old soul perceptions

In this fifth and final cycle on the Earth plane, there is a more holistic perception of self, life and everything as part of a bigger picture. So while the mature soul comes to perceive others as its brothers and sisters, the old soul comes to perceive both self and others as integral parts of a greater whole, all unique yet all essential.

In other words, the old soul comes to perceive every thing, every being, every moment, as part of one great tapestry.

The issue now is how to relate to this united reality through one’s own being — how to be at peace with all of the conflicts, how to experience the harmony within all of the diversity.

This involves recognising the validity of each being’s chosen path in life within the broader scheme of things. We are all part of the One, and yet we are many, each pursuing a different path. And no path is wrong. Hence the old soul motto: “You do your thing and I’ll do mine.”

Richard Feynman

Richard Feynman (6th-level Old King)

Old soul lifestyles

Old souls become more relaxed, laid back and detached in life. Human existence is familiar and manageable, and there are not so many problems or issues to deal with. The main issues, in fact, are existential rather than material or psychological.

Doing their own thing, old souls end up pursuing nothing but their own path whilst allowing others to pursue theirs, just perfecting their own abilities, being themselves in life to the best that they can. Many do so through artistic, humanitarian or philosophical endeavours, though for many their greatest form of self-fulfillment can be something as “mundane” as gardening. Work, rest and play all become the same thing.

A potential difficulty for old souls is lapsing into apathy, no longer caring about life and the world. As the physical plane begins to lose its allure, the incarnate soul can show signs of being world-weary, even from birth.

In fact, depression is the one form of mental illness to which old souls are vulnerable. (Which is not to say that everyone with depression is an old soul, necessarily. It’s just that an old soul who is beginning to see the bigger picture might sometimes feel that ordinary life is a pointless ordeal.)

In the end, joy is found in simply being as opposed to doing.

Amma – the hugging humanitarian (Old Server)

Other old soul characteristics

How can you spot an old soul?

Old souls have a level of self-assurance that is unusual for souls in other stages (with the exception of King souls, who don’t really do self-doubt at any stage). They are generally relaxed and comfortable in their own skins. That’s not to say that they have no issues; many clearly do. But their issues do not dominate them in the way that is often the case with mature souls.

Old souls tend to emanate a calm, steady quality that has substance, depth or gravitas. In comparison, young souls can appear frantic and superficial while mature souls seem perpetually stressed and assailed by life. You can often hear it in the voice — young souls tend to talk loud and fast, mature souls have a sort of soft tone laced with uncertainty, while old souls tend to have a slow, deep voice – relaxed, assured and unhurried.

This inner calm and depth is also evident in the old soul’s eyes. Whereas young souls cannot make eye contact for long, and mature souls will do so occasionally, when they’re not too stressed or distracted, old souls tend to make direct eye contact with an unflinching gaze. (Note: This is not the same as the cold stare of a psychopath!) They are unafraid to look another in the eyes and see into their heart.

Compared to other souls, old souls are generally more relaxed and philosophical about life, at ease with themselves and others, and have fewer material attachments. They tend to be drawn to the quiet life away from the noise of the city. The old soul is more a citizen of the world than wedded to one place. Old Kings in particular will tend to spend their last lives as homeless, wandering teachers.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t

Some notable old souls

Old souls who become famous tend to do so by virtue of their mastery, insight and wisdom rather than ambition.

Many of the finest minds in history have been old souls: Marcus Aurelius (121-180), Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), Carl Jung (1875-1961).

In the arts we have the composer J. S. Bach (1685-1750), the painter Paul Gauguin (1848-1903, now apparently reincarnated as artist Peter Teekamp), and the writers Walt Whitman (1819-1892) and William Blake (1757-1827).

In the acting profession, there are numerous old souls who are brilliant at playing characters who are, essentially, younger souls — mainly because there aren’t that many scripts featuring old soul characters! Consider, for example, Anthony Hopkins playing Hannibal Lecter or Michael Dorn playing Lt Worf. Morgan Freeman is well known for the gravitas he brings to every role.

     Michael Dorn


Clint Eastwood’s acting reveals a mix of Warrior soul combativeness with old soul detachment, but it is as a director that he has achieved mastery.

Finally, many of the world’s great spiritual teachers have been late-stage old souls passing on their wisdom: Gurdjieff (1866-1949), Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895-1986), Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950), Anandamayi Ma (1896-1962), Neem Karoli Baba (d. 1973), the Dalai Lama, Ammachi (Mātā Amritanandamayī Devi), and Thich Nhat Hanh.

The end of reincarnation

There are seven levels to every stage of soul evolution, including this one. So after completing the 7th level of the mature soul stage, the soul begins its next life as a 1st-level old soul. The soul then undergoes the whole sequence of development as an old soul, one life at a time, until finally it reaches 7th level. This is the final step, step 35, in the 35 steps of reincarnation.

Now, I occasionally meet people who are convinced that they must now be in their final incarnation simply because they are so “spiritual” and have no liking for the material world. This is not how it works.

The goal of evolution is not to escape from the wretched physical plane, despite what many teach. The end of reincarnation is not some sort of reward for good behaviour. Human existence is not a prison, or a wheel of torment, from which only the most worthy gain liberation.

We incarnate because we want to and we choose to. We keep doing it precisely because we want to come to terms with it. We know that in each life we will probably spend several decades not remembering who we are, not remembering our eternal Home, buying into the illusion of separation, experiencing fear. This is the very stuff which inspires us to become more conscious.

Completion occurs when it matters not whether you are incarnate or discarnate: you see through the illusion and you always feel at Home.

If you have issues with being physical, then you still have a way to go.

So the last lifetime is one in which you are very content to be in physical form, using it as an opportunity to teach and enlighten others.

Ramana Maharshi An example of someone in their last life is Ramana Maharshi, a 7th-level Old Scholar and a model of pure enlightenment. Towards the end of his life, some of his students begged him not to die, not to leave them. His answer was: “But where could I possibly go?” He knew that both he and everybody else are already Home, and always will be, having never really left it.

→ See: Abide As The Self [DVD]

Beyond old – the higher levels

On completion of the seventh level of the old soul stage, there is no longer any need or desire to reincarnate. The soul will unify its consciousness with soul mates who have also completed, and it may serve as an elder spirit guide to others still undergoing reincarnation. But there is no longer value to be had in incarnating as a human being.

There are some rare exceptions, however.

A number of old Priest souls such as the philosopher Socrates, the Prophet Mohammed and Mahatma Gandhi are said to have incarnated to become vehicles for a higher level of consciousness capable of inspiring a cultural revolution. The higher consciousness manifested through these individuals only in later life. From that point on, they are referred to in the Michael teachings as “transcendental souls”.

Rarer still, Jesus Christ and the Buddha are said to be examples of old King souls who returned to become the physical embodiment of divine love, pure consciousness and ultimate truth, the Tao itself in human form. In other words, avatars. Again, the transformation did not occur until some point in adulthood. But from then on, these individuals are said to be manifestations of the “infinite soul”.

Recommended reading

The Michael Handbook

A Channeled System For Self Understanding
(Warwick Press, 1990)
Amazon link

Journey of Souls

Case Studies of Life Between Lives
(Llewellyn, 1994)
Amazon link

Old Souls

The Sages and Mystics of Our World
(KINDLE only: Amazon, 2013)
Amazon link


The Five Stages of Reincarnation

Stage 1
Stage 2
Stage 3
Stage 4
Stage 5
Infant Soul Baby Soul Young Soul Mature Soul Old Soul


218 Responses to “Stage 5: The Old Soul”

  1. 1 Andrew 27 Jun 2013 at 6:41 am

    This is a long post but please take the time to read it if you would!

    Hi I have been told i was an old soul but I’m not so sure. It fits me more then the others I guess but I feel guilty i want to end my life. You see I’ve been in multiple accidents at young ages and have gotten brain damage and i irreversible skeletal damage. I’m In pain a lot and the individual self imposed self esteem I’ve given myself is shattered as well. because of my deformed body and injured mind. I must know, is it okay to end this life and try again? Genetically assuming I didn’t have these injures I would already be out there helping in ever way I can. I want nothing more then to help people but I don’t believe I can do it very well in the physical and mental state I am in. I understand all my mistakes and how to live my next life but is that enough? I feel the longer I wait the more the world suffers but my physical body as injured and the pain I feel makes it hard and it feels ill never be quite there. Two things I worry about if I did let this body go. I don’t want my family to grieve me and I don’t want to start all the stages over again. The world is drawing to a dangerous point and it can’t wait for me to start over if I plan to help. Please give my insight. I am only 19 years old and my whole life I tried my best to figure it out myself. Now I know I’ve only needed to seek the the right influences. So is it enough I know these things, or am I meant to over come these random tragedies not always my doing for the sake of some sort of spiritual growth? Please insight is what I need more then anything. I don’t want to make the wrong choice. Physical pain sucks and a shattered self image is hard to be outgrowing to help.

    I know to some my pain and deformed body is no reason to feel hopeless. But these are the same people who partake in the day by day bullshit and living for the weekend crap and buying stuff stuff stuff I just don’t care about. In fact the thought of that life, it all makes me sick.

    So suicide what are the details of that, any justification? What are the punishments? If I have to live a healthy long life idk if the world can wait that long until I can come back to make the impact this world needs.

    Suicide is seen as greedy and leaves loved ones sad. The thought I want to do this just makes me think I may just be an infant soul to weak to work hard without some inner contentment. I will say, I now only feel anything at all when I help others. Everything else has become pointless since I’ve come to terms with my injuries. I feel myself is a lost cause. With an old or mature should please shed light app-on me.

    Don’t fear me taking my life right away, I’m am rational enough to stick around and help my family grow into themselfs. Like my little sister. She does not deserve to morn her brother not to mention my older siblings and the investments my dad and mom have put into me. I naturally feel they will feel guilt regardless of how they shouldn’t.

    Thank you, love and peace once and for all.

    • 2 barry 27 Jun 2013 at 10:06 pm

      Hi Andrew

      Thanks for getting in touch, and I’m really sorry to learn of your predicament.

      Don’t worry – I don’t “fear” you taking your life. If that’s your choice, I respect it. I appreciate where you are coming from and the choice you are contemplating.

      “is it okay to end this life and try again?”

      Yes, absolutely okay in the sense that no one “up there” is going to tell you off or punish you. Certainly, there is no sin in suicide. It’s just a decision to return Home earlier than planned, like cutting short a business trip. No one’s going to blame you for wanting to get out of a life that you find intolerable. Although, it would’t be so clear-cut if you were knowingly leaving behind dependants who needed your support and would suffer without it. In that case, you are choosing to cause suffering to others, and that’s karmic.

      I’m not going to say whether you **should** or **shouldn’t** end your life, of course. It’s a free choice without any “should” one way or another. I can’t simply tell you “yes” or “no.”

      For one thing, thats not my responsibility. It’s your choice, and it’s up to you make this (or any) choice for your own reasons, or none. Whatever you choose, and why you choose it, is your decision alone.

      For another thing, there are actually no right or wrong choices from the soul’s perspective. We are here to choose whatever we choose. With that in mind, I can offer you some scenarios you might want to think about.

      First, it is possible (actually highly probable) that you planned to undergo this life with this injury and physical suffering. There would no doubt be some good reason for that decision. And if I were in your shoes, I would either want to understand what it’s all about and how it serves me and/or others, or, if I couldn’t find such understanding, then I might decide to trust that I (as a soul, before birth) knew what I was doing when planned this, and that maybe something good will come of it.

      One possibility is that it’s karmic (if, say, you inflicted such suffering in the past), in which case there could be a sense in which you are here precisely to experience it, at least to begin with – we often get karmic experiences early in life. That’s not to say “it’s all your fault so you should suck it up” – you are free to choose to duck out, but if it is karmic then there’s a **possibility** you have signed up to undergo a whole life with this. And if that’s the case, then you’ll probably come right back and try it again.

      A second possibility is that you have some wonderful plan for this life, whereby you will eventually use these challenging experiences to both help and inspire others. For example, perhaps you will find some way of dealing with pain that will be of great value to many people.

      I would point out that you are at an age in which you are probably undergoing one of the major life transitions. it’s known in the Michael teachings as the “3rd internal monad.” (I’ve mentioned this several times in my various comment responses – it really is time I did a proper article on it.) In brief: there are 7 essential pivotal points in life, each involving a step-change in one’s sense of self and orientation to life. The first is physical birth, the second is “ego birth” (around 2-3, when we develop an internal sense of self based on social interactions). The third is the transition to adulthood, which isn’t simply the culmination of puberty but is marked by the decision to step out independently into the world, deliberately choosing our own path, and also presenting a public identity of our own choosing (15-20 ish).

      It’s possible that you planned to get to this point and then bail out. But it’s also possible that you only feel like bailing out because you are facing this transition. In which case, if you do “bail out”, you may run the risk of abdicating this transitionary step, and you will simply have to face it again next time around. Not because anyone is forcing you to, but because you (in your essence) feel the importance and necessity of it.

      Something else I would like to point out. You say more than once: “The world is drawing to a dangerous point and it can’t wait for me to start over if I plan to help.” We’ll, yes it can. The world isn’t waiting for you and only you to save it. You are not the only one working to save it. You are one of billions of souls playing this massive multiplayer game, some acting destructively, some acting more positively, but no one has sole responsibility for anything other than their own life choices. Beware developing a grandiose self-image.

      I’ve pointed out a number of possibilities here, but if you want more direct insight you might want to get a reading, either from a Michael channel (there’s a list at the bottom of my page on the Michael teachings – ) or from a medium who accesses pre-life plans (google pre-life soul plan medium).

      There is also a book I would strongly recommend to you which features a number of these mediums (including their contact details) giving readings of several people each in their own difficult life situations. The book is called Your Soul’s Plan, by Robert Schwartz. You can see my posting about it here:

      I hope I’ve given you some food for thought.



      • 3 mdeking78 27 Jun 2013 at 10:43 pm

        Great response, I’d like to add that from what the wisdom I’ve gathered, committing suicide is never written in as part of your plan as part of a physical incarnation. It is your intention to carry out whatever you came here to do and it may just be that it is going to take more time to discover your real purpose. Don’t give up, even though you won’t be ‘judged’ for taking an early exit you will more than likely regret your decision once you have the full perspective of your entire incarnation cycle again back in the spiritual realm. You will more than likely choose another lifetime with similar circumstances to the one you have now, in order, in your own personal way, to ‘get it right’ and persevere through it. Even though your circumstances may be tough you are here because you (and your spirit guides) knew that you could handle it. You can either wallow in your perceived misfortune or be an inspiratiom to other struggling souls. Choosing the latter will elevate your soul and provide enlightenment to yourself and others.
        Best of luck and stay strong.

  2. 4 M 23 Jul 2013 at 8:07 am

    Great arrival. I read it because my 4 month old daughter. The minute she was born she has been very focused, very strong and seems like she is just fascinated by everything. Afraid to sleep or turn away because she might miss something that could happen. New soul? I think brand new soul.

  3. 5 Nicholas Ryan Sandhop 03 Aug 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Hi, I’m rather new to this. I’m 20 years old and a few weeks ago I had a pranic healing session for the first time. I was more curious than skeptical. After, I was told that I had a very old soul and that my name did not match my soul. That last part has been on my mind lately. Do you have anything you can tell me about that? So far from your article, I’m definatly a scholar soul too. I tend to be almost exclusively negative pole oriented.Anyway, any information on the name bit would be appreciated. Thanks.

    • 6 barry 06 Aug 2013 at 8:52 am

      Hi Nicholas
      No, I haven’t heard of this before. In the books by Michael Newton on between-lives regression, some people in that state give their soul names (such as ‘Oriel’), but I’m not sure if any of our human names *ever* ‘match our souls’.

  4. 7 Spacedweller 29 Aug 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Thanks for all the info! I just have one question…
    How can you make distinction between an old soul and a very introvert person? (In age till around 18 years old, at middle- and high school age)

    • 8 barry 02 Sep 2013 at 11:31 am

      Hi Spacedweller

      I am not aware of any direct correlation between introversion and old soul age. Certainly, Young Souls tend to be the most extroverted, but there can be introverted and extroverted traits at any soul age. I suppose an Old Soul who is relaxed, unhurried, laid back and uninvolved in the rate race could seem to a Young soul to be almost pathologically withdrawn!

      Introversion refers to the kind of personality that naturally feels drained of energy by social interaction but gains energy through solitude and quiet reflection. The opposite is true for extraversion. Introverts find low-level conversation to be a bit of an effort, while extroverts thrive on it, and they might regard that quiet types as “backward in coming forward” or else too self-important to bother with small talk.

      In my view, the things that typically make for introversion include Scholar role, mode of Observation, Repression or Caution, goal of Retardation, chief feature of Self-Deprecation. One can be an old soul and have some these traits. Or, one can be an Old Soul with much more extroverted traits, such as Sage role, mode of Passion, Power or Aggression, goal of Growth, Dominance or Acceptance, and chief feature of Arrogance. These would all lend the Old soul an outgoing personality.

      Mature souls tend to be the most introverted on average, in the sense that they deliberately focus more on psychological meanings, thoughts and feelings. Old souls tend to rise above all that, finding ways to balance the internal and the external, unifying their inner and outer concerns.

      Bottom line: introversion and soul age are mostly two different things.

  5. 9 robjam972000 23 Sep 2013 at 4:10 am

    Interesting information :-) I was told by Sananda who is the huge energy over soul of Jesus/Jeshua I am an ancient wise soul.

  6. 10 miss citizen 13 Oct 2013 at 7:00 am

    You say that once a soul finishes all 35 stages of soul progression, they reunite with other souls in the higher plane of existence and no longer feel the need to reincarnate back on Earth. I’m just wondering, however, is it possible that once a soul has finished Earth school they may want to start reincarnating on a completely different planet as a completely different species with a completely different set of lessons to learn? Alien species may, after all, have a completely alien way of thinking and processing information and have a completely alternate perspective on life that is just unfathomable and would never occur to humans, but is nevertheless just as important. Or is graduating from Earth school really the end of physical reincarnation for good?

    • 11 barry 18 Oct 2013 at 8:35 pm

      Hi there. As far as I can gather, most of us probably have done other planets/species before and will do more in the future. (Not “us” in the sense of the individuals we are right now, but as eternal sparks of light.) We don’t do the switch right after finishing reincarnation, however, as there are a couple of higher stages of integration to evolve through in the higher planes of consciousness before we are ready to fragment, dive in, and do it all again…

  7. 12 Wibo 27 Oct 2013 at 11:08 am

    What does it mean to be a transcended soul?(If the term even exists)
    And i get how the 35 steps work, but what happens after this soul evolution has completed? Does it become one with the Tao or what? :)
    Where is this al going? What is the ‘end’ of progression for a soul and what does it do then?

    In short i find it a bit unclear what happens after you’ve been a last Life old soul. Hope somebody could share some information. Thanks!

  8. 13 Alex 10 Dec 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Hi Barry and the site is very enlightening and it makes a lot of sense. I have a question regarding a point you made above. You had mentioned that one of the main issues old souls face has less to psychological or materialistic but rather ‘existential’. I am aware of its definition but can you please elaborate as to how this applies to old souls? I appreciation your time and insight in advance…

    • 14 barry 16 Dec 2013 at 12:23 am

      Hi Alex

      First I should point out that I don’t want to imply that existential issues are strictly reserved for old souls. Many or most Mature souls face an existential crisis.

      Young souls don’t really question the nature or purpose of existence, either personally (“Who am I?”) or cosmically (“What’s it all mean?”). They are too busy and focused on their outer tasks.

      Mature souls, in contrast, will naturally pause and reflect. Their attention is often caught by such questions.

      The thing is, when a Mature soul asks “who am I?” or “what’s the point?”, they feel forced to let go of fixed beliefs and old certainties and wonder if there’s anything real left to grab hold of. Then, maybe they’ll find it – some belief system or inner path that provides a way forward.

      For example, they may dabble with Buddhism or quantum physics as “the answer”, and feel that it is good enough for now.

      But eventually they sense that we are all making this up as we go along — making sense out of life without truly knowing “the answer”. So we each have to find our own way to construct meaning out of life. Whatever construct fits me for now is good enough, and if your construct is different from mine, so be it, or if my construct keeps changing as I learn more, then so be it.

      That’s the Mature soul. For an Old soul, there’s a whole other level to it. They realise not only that life as it is perceived is little more than a construct, but that mere constructs are nothing. Reality is not what it seems, even when it is perceived negatively. “Life has no meaning” is just as much an empty mental construct as “Life is like a box of chocolates.”

      The old soul must rise above predefined constructs and assert the meaning of life for themselves. They don’t just seek to understand life’s meaning and purpose. Rather, they give life meaning and purpose by how they live — with their own truest meaning and purpose. For the old soul, the existential issue isn’t one of finding “the” meaning of life by reading as many books as possible; it’s one of expressing/demonstrating a valid meaning – even a whole new meaning – by being utterly true to oneself.

      Existential issues and self-questions are often the inroad to spiritual realisation. Many Mature souls ask the right questions but then get stuck in looking for an intellectual answer in science/philosophy, or an emotional answer in art. Old souls don’t so much look for an answer as create their own, sensing that by being true to themselves they are simultaneously being true to the very nature of life.

      For a Mature soul, life occasionally raises existential issues that can be resolved by shifting focus inward and finding a satisfactory answer. For an Old soul, life itself is an existential issue that is resolved only by BEING the answer.

      … I hope that makes sense!


  9. 15 Seyi 30 Dec 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Gosh, I have searched everywhere for people,anyone who can enlighthen me,someone who can help me see d path am to thread to this oness,cos I feel I like I can’t explain myself, how @ peace am wit everytin,in oness wit my soul,in search for the Supreme being,can anyone just help me out,I have been looking @ d stars ever since I was a teenager,with the knowledge of lifes out of our world,I tink I am going crazy @ times,I have read so many,travelled in search of knowledge, till I read d bhaghavad Gita,den my real search begin,pls who can help…am a nigerian and here is my blackberry pin 21E0B09E and here is my facebook id “Vitello Majekobaje” (gave myself d Vitello,its an italian name,out of my obsession for them)

  10. 16 Dimitri 09 Jan 2014 at 7:14 am

    I was wondering whether it’s any use to try too find out your soul age before reaching your 40′s?

    • 17 barry 19 Jan 2014 at 5:54 pm

      Hi Dimitri,

      Very interesting question. I suppose the risk is that our egos at that age can get rather too invested in the result.

      If, at the age of 20, I had been wrongly told that I was an Old soul (which I was on my first reading, age 38), I would probably have developed a degree of arrogance and inappropriate behaviours, like trying to act guru-ish. Or if I had been wrongly told that I was a Young soul, I reckon that would have really tortured my (Mature) soul for many years!

      I do think it’s useful to know the Role and the overleaves, however.

      A lot of people who get proper readings from a channel are young (20-ish), which is one of the peak times for wondering who we are, especially those with Goal of Growth. At that age I was fashionably cynical, but setting off into the adult world not knowing the first thing about myself (Self-Deprecation had drawn a big, black curtain around my sense of self.) But had I known of the opportunity to have a reading (and if the internet had existed at the time) I would probably have gone for it out of curiosity and an urge to have myself described “objectively” by a wise being. I would have found it reassuring to know that I was a Scholar, and that being a Scholar is as valid as being any other type, and that the meaning of life isn’t to “become a King or fail” as it were.

      To complicate my answer further, I think an Old soul at age 20 would handle the information much better than a Mature or younger soul. There would be less ego and anxiety reacting to it.

      But to return to your question: is trying to find out your soul age before reaching your 40′s of ANY USE, I suspect that’s a very individual thing. I also suspect that if you mysteriously “acquire” that information at a young age, then it is likely that you planned it before birth for some reason as part of tour bigger life plan.

      Not the clearest answer I’ve ever given, but I’ve enjoyed thinking about it. Cheers Dimitri!


      • 18 Dimitri 19 Jan 2014 at 7:51 pm

        Haha, complicated answers, my favorite :) Gives me plenty of things to think about.

        I asked about Soul Age, because that’s how I first found the MT.

        I (believe to) have found my overleaves;

        Intellectual Center

        ,which helped me a lot the last few months (“O wait, that’s self-deprecation acting up again”), and so I returned to the question of Soul Age again.

        I secretly dreaded the idea of being a Mature soul when I first read about it. It seemed so dramatic (especially the stage that I saw labelled as “most difficult of any level” haha) and I was really interested in the Old Soul detachment. I noticed my bias towards this and kind of decided to leave it at not knowing my soul age for sure.

        I believe I’m a Mature soul and that I am sometimes modelling old soul behavior OR am a 1st/2nd level old soul who is in a mature stage.

        Thanks for taking the time to reply, you must have to make a lot of replies!

        Best wishes

        • 19 barry 19 Jan 2014 at 9:04 pm

          You have no idea! I have a backlog going back two months (sorry to everyone who’s still waiting!). Trying to catch up after a period of illness and general busy-ness.

  11. 20 shruthi 17 Feb 2014 at 6:13 am

    is there a way to recognize old souls by palm reading? if so.. what it is?

    • 21 barry 19 Feb 2014 at 12:02 pm

      Hmmm.. Great question. I have no idea to be honest. I do believe that some physical things correlate with aspects of personality, such as finger-length ratio and goal of dominance, but no idea about soul age and palm patterns. It would be great to do some research…

  12. 22 Val 27 Feb 2014 at 1:29 am

    I really liked this article. I’m an old soul and a lot of my psychic friends tell me that my soul is very old for a fifteen-year-old. I’ve recently been reading a lot about the stages of souls and I find it so interesting, and all of it makes a lot of sense! I have been able to successfully retrieve small fractions of about two past lives and it can be exhausting afterwards, but it helps me see where my love and fears of particular things come from.
    Anyway, very good article. I enjoyed reading this!

    • 23 barry 27 Feb 2014 at 10:25 pm

      Great – cheers Val.

  13. 24 Kevin 27 Feb 2014 at 3:46 am

    For the past years even before the revelation i was known to be the person to chose to talk to among friends who have emotional issues, because I was able to give a broad perspective about life and things, which ease the process of their recovering. Many of them did not immediately understood my words until they learned the same from other source.

    I’ve long questioning myself about the lack of enthusiasm in ambitious pursuing, until 2 years ago at age 35 (at early 2012) when I discovered Michael Teachings. (or should I said i was finally opened). From MT I learned the soul ages especially young, mature and old. At that moment it was the biggest revelation ever for me. I suddenly understood so many things and the whole picture is finally puzzled up! Later that came the period of peace and acceptance of my own being. I was certain that I am older than YOUNG soul so I assumed I am MATURE. But recently (after 2 years) there has been another pull to make me revisited MT and I found out that I am more closely described as an OLD soul. I then started to refer to other sites and today I landed this site at this article and I am quite convinced that I am OLD! Lol! Is there any other way to confirm this?

    • 25 barry 27 Feb 2014 at 10:24 pm

      Hi there Kevin,

      Given the fact that your are now in your late 30s and therefore at or approaching the plateau in terms of manifesting the full depth of your soul’s consciousness, i.e. true soul age, then your resonating now with the Old soul stage is itself a form of “confirmation”.

      The thing is, as you seek to manifest more of your true self, to develop that inner sensitivity or self-validation (“Does this actually feel right to me? Does it chime with my deepest and truest sense of self?”), rather than rely only on external input, though I suspect you may be well aware of that by now. :)


  14. 26 Rima 12 Mar 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Im only 15 and 8 months. And i know im an old soul. Ive feelt mature for many years until i turned 15 and started to be more open minded and open hearted. Everyday i improve and im already feeling al those old charestic. My goal is to meet the one (done), get married and have children. My purpouse is a meaningfull life doing what makes me happy and go witht the flow. I even think im at level 6 old soul a couple of days ago i though 4 but no i think 6 today. I even meditated yestersay about this life choose. It just came to me im almost finished in my path but i had a few things to do and clear up an some few things to learn. I even help my friends with their life and i spread love. Ive always loved spiritual things and always wanted things with meaning.

    • 27 barry 14 Mar 2014 at 10:36 pm

      Thanks Rima, I hope your intuitions are accurate!

  15. 28 Gail Green 22 Mar 2014 at 4:32 am

    Can you clarify the point of an old soul having an outpost?

  16. 29 cassandra 23 Mar 2014 at 5:28 am

    Does it really matter what stage we are? We are one with all that is. The only thing we need to see is within. Cassandra

    • 30 barry 07 Apr 2014 at 4:10 pm

      It matters if it matters to you, but not if it doesn’t. If, let’s say, ‘Alice’ finds some value in stumbling upon the concept of soul age, such as a liberating insight, and if understanding where she and others currently are in their respective soul ages further helps her to better understand herself and others with greater compassion, then I would imagine it probably “matters” to her. And I don’t think that would be a contradiction of the ultimate truth of the unity of all that is, which can only be directly experienced within our own being.

  17. 31 plaintain1 01 Apr 2014 at 2:02 pm

    What about the question of achievement and wealth. I’ve read more than one website on this subject and I’m getting the impression that Old Souls are not concerned about wealth and celebrity other than pursuing their path. You’ve quoted people such as Morgan Freeman being an Old Soul but the question is would it be wrong to want to be ‘successful’?

    • 32 barry 04 Apr 2014 at 2:43 pm


      From a higher perspective, there is nothing wrong in wanting anything, period. It’s all part of life’s rich tapestry.

      Old Souls certainly are, or rather they become, less materialistic in comparison to Young souls. By the end of the cycle, they just don’t care. But remember that there are seven steps, and every Old soul starts out at step 1, pretty much like a Mature soul but with less focus on “right relationship” and more focus on self-actualisation. They develop and maximise their talents, ultimately as a form of service to others, but initially to be fully awake and alive in their own skins. In doing so, the world may well respond by lavishing them with praise, fame and fortune. If an Old soul loves acting, for example, and demonstrates a well-developed gift for it, then in life he/she may well become a highly successful actor … or not. The thing is, to a Young soul it matters a great deal whether or not the result of showing one’s talent is worldly success. That’s the main game Young souls are playing. An Old soul, however, regards worldly success with a sort of “yeah? so?” attitude. For a perfect illustration of this, I recommend (everyone) to watch the documentary movie “Searching for Sugarman”.

  18. 33 gerri butler 18 Jun 2014 at 12:07 pm

    where are the women, please…we need female models and images

    • 34 barry 18 Jun 2014 at 5:22 pm

      You mean apart from the ones that are already there (sigh…)?

      OK, point taken yet again. This time I’m really working on it!


    • 35 Christin Angeliina 09 Aug 2014 at 6:44 pm


  19. 36 david elliott 29 Jul 2014 at 6:26 am

    What about ancient soul’s. Namaste.

    • 37 barry 08 Aug 2014 at 4:12 am

      Say more?

  20. 38 Christin Angeliina 09 Aug 2014 at 3:56 pm

    After reading your very inspiring article which I Thank you for sharing I came to the very end of it thinking it was good to read a very well written explanation of the very levels we go through. I have researched Michael’s works and have been fortunate to have many questions answered. I will share my resent one with you.

    After searching my entire life awaiting the right time it finally entered my life. I realised I was part of everything and everything part of me. I see Nature coming alive right in front of me and I see that we all live our own life in our own special “pocket” of the tapestry. I saw what is named the Grid and understood the illusion of us believing to be afar, alone and not part of everything, more nothing. That is the very illusion. I wondered why and a simple vision showed me how it is all made up. We are like energy orbs circling ourselves and everyone else within a limited sphere always turning as we see planet Earth is doing hence the experience of distance and recognition of others around us. When we turn we come back to the very same point again and again and some split up in more orbs as they grow.

    I am grateful for having had these experiences and believe many more will come as I progress into the latter part of my life and I wish you the very best on your path to fulfillment and knowledge.

    Wisdom is our goal.

    Kind regards

    • 39 barry 09 Aug 2014 at 7:50 pm

      Hi Christin

      I am so grateful to you for sharing such a clear and meaningful insight into deepest truth.

      I also admire your capacity to have such wonderful experiences on your own, without a facilitating format or teacher. My wife and I run ‘enlightenment Intensives’ – a 3-day group process enabling participants to have a direct spiritual insight through their own introspection and communication (without a teacher or teaching). It is rare and beautiful to hear of such experiences happening spontaneously, and I wish you many more!

      Warmest regards


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